God--Does it become Room 302, or...?

[Conjurer]

Isn't God also seen to "exist" in Henry's premonition of Joseph Schreiber’s death then?

[AuraTwilight]

What do you mean?

[JuriDawn]

God as room 302. The apartment is all mega-haunted in Henry's dream, though you can see the infested apartment in the Mother ending. In that case, God did not descend, and the apartment is merely haunted.

[Silent Fantasy]

the god is the room?that sounds incredibly stupid...

[mrow]

It isn't that stupid, but it is pretty strange. Whatever force exists in Silent Hill is very suggestable. The "God" in Silent Hill takes the form of whatever the summoner imagines it should be. If the summoner happens to be crazypants and sees the God as his mother and a room, then a mother and a room it shall be.

[JuriDawn]

the god is the room?that sounds incredibly stupid...

It's not.

[The Adversary]

>that sounds incredibly stupid...
If the spirits of the Natives--from whom The Order's beliefs originate--can be a rock, Nakheehona, then the spirit of The Order's deity can be a room.

[Conjurer]

God as room 302. The apartment is all mega-haunted in Henry's dream, though you can see the infested apartment in the Mother ending. In that case, God did not descend, and the apartment is merely haunted.

So, if you are you suggesting that the demonic appearance of Room 302 is only the result of hauntings then what proof is there that god is Room 302 in the 21 Sacraments ending? I'm not arguing for the sake or discussion but I'm just questioning the explanation for a better insight which was why I brought up that last post before.

[AuraTwilight]

So, if you are you suggesting that the demonic appearance of Room 302 is only the result of hauntings then what proof is there that god is Room 302 in the 21 Sacraments ending?

Because the 21 Sacraments were completed. I thought you of all people would emphasize this most of all.

[Conjurer]

~I thought you of all people would emphasize this most of all.
So, you've never heard of someone wanting to hear another person's "thoughts and opinions"?

[AuraTwilight]

You were asking for an explaination, not someone else's viewpoint.

[Conjurer]

I wanted a better explanation of their viewpoints. I already have my theories and reasons; I just want to hear theirs.

[JuriDawn]

Well, for my own personal viewpoint, I'd have to say AuraTwilight sums it up nicely. The 21 Sacraments were completed successfully, therefore, for all the reasons detailed in the thread I linked above, we can logically assume that God is The Room.

[Denizen]

Well, for my own personal viewpoint, I'd have to say AuraTwilight sums it up nicely. The 21 Sacraments were completed successfully, therefore, for all the reasons detailed in the thread I linked above, we can logically assume that God is The Room.

I would say there's an extra step involved. I think the Room was transformed into a Holy Mother, kind of like Alessa/Heather was. So, with Alessa gone, Walter has perhaps accidently continuted the cult's goal of creating a means by which God can be birthed into the world, and that method is the holy mother which is Room 302.

Also, I think the 21 sacraments ending indicates that South Ashfield Heights, and maybe even the town of South Ashfield itself will become a place permanently like Silent Hill.

And yeah, the colossal creature at the end is Walter's original body, now hideously transformed, as it is gone from the back storage. It's appearance is probably what Walter views himself as: inhuman, born of an inhuman apartment room.

[Mis Krist.]

I don't know about the room turning into a person (Alessa was a Holy Woman, by the way), but I can see it being the center of bad activity, almost like Alchemilla Hospital in SH1 is the "heart" of the nightmare. I think the God would be more of a force.. an energy unseen, a metaphysical entity.

Walter didn't accidentally do what the cult wanted - he knew what he was doing and did it intentionally, though by not what they had in mind. Which is why he took out the remaining prominent cult members for his Sacraments (Jimmy Stone, that Rosten guy and Toby Archibold).

[AuraTwilight]

the 21 Sacraments was about God's descent, not the Holy Mother's. It puts God's essence into a vessel, whether it's a woman or a ROCK.

As for becoming a place permanently like Silent Hill, God's arrival is supposed to mean the end of the world, so...

[Arthemesic]

As for becoming a place permanently like Silent Hill, God's arrival is supposed to mean the end of the world, so...

And Biblically, Earth becomes hell, I think. Which kinda explains why Silent Hill is such a crappy place in the first place.



There's this one thing I'm wondering about the final boss..

I got Mother ending as I recently completed the game. A friend and I, noticed that every spear was "The spear of Holy Mother", and not "Spear of Gloom" or "Spear of Chaos" etc. as The Crimson Tome explained. So was the ending present at that point already? Last time I think I got 21 Sacraments ending and every spear had the 8 names.

[Mis Krist.]

The Mother ending is based on whether or not you cleared out your apartment of hauntings--honestly, the different names sound really clever... I'm impressed.

[AuraTwilight]

And Biblically, Earth becomes hell, I think. Which kinda explains why Silent Hill is such a crappy place in the first place.

The Bible has no relevance here. And even still, the Otherworld as it engulfs Earth would technically be "Paradise".

[Scanman22]

>>>In the 21 Sacraments ending, Henry is possessed and starts walking towards that gryoscopic thing, and then we see both young and adult Walter in the Room. It's complete.

I know it's been a long time since I've played it, but I don't remeber old Walter in 302 at the end! Just young Walter lying and "hugging" the couch.

I can't believe that "God" is going to be an inanimate object. It makes no sense and as a previous poster said "is stupid"! It truly is stupid for that to be the case. God is God. It may take on the form of the conjurer's thoughts, but not BE and remain an inanimate object. I'm not saying that Walter is becoming god, but Walter is God's instrument so they are tied together. I truly believe that the 40 foot tall creature is "God". It has small boobs for god's sake. It is just like the "God" at the end of SH3, except it looks more masculine. Walter doesn't have boobs. If Walter succeeds, then the creature "God" is freed from the bonds that hold it chained.
There is already a room 302. You all were fighting me before on saying that the god does not take over it's vessel. So god does not take over the room, the room is just used to birth the god. So, if Wally finishes his job, the creature will break out of the Otherworld (Walter's kingdom) and burst into our reality. Which is where?!?!?!? The Room!!!