Could Stanley be alive?

Heather finds out why it's true that you shouldn't talk to strangers. Or look in mirrors, quite honestly.

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Could Stanley be alive?

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I did a search and I couldn't find anything, so, sorry if it was mentioned.

When you are on the phone in the hospital, the guy on the phone says,
"I'm not you beloved Stanley, he's underground now. His new name, Number Seven."
Well, when you go the basement, to get the key, walk over by the stretcher with seven on it. And, it will, faintly, say,
"*Choking sound* Is...Is that..."
I think we can safely say that that's Stanley. And he would have said, "Is that Heather.". So, could he be alive, or am I hearing things.


*Waits for St. Thomas to come a rip my theory to shreads.* :lol:
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Probably not!!
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Hey, calm down. It's just a theory.
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Why would his corpse be in the hospital basement if he were alive?

He whispers Heather's name, but to be fair, a whisper from beyond the grave is nothing in Silent Hill. Consider that the protagonist is actually a reincarnation of the teenage creator of the Otherworld?
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He could have been put away by mistake, or someone out him in there for Torturing reasons.
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Xigz wrote:Hey, calm down. It's just a theory.
Okay.

It's more like something that practically everyone has known for several years.
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I wouldn't imagine that he was still alive, you just hear the choking sounds because it's a residual effect of a murder. After all, he is on a slab.




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alone in the town wrote:
Xigz wrote:Hey, calm down. It's just a theory.
Okay.

It's more like something that practically everyone has known for several years.
It's been mention...?

I'll be waiting for this to get locked. :?
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I'm not sure if it has or not, but the point is, it's like making a thread called "Maybe James killed Mary!"
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HE DID!?!
Kidding.

Anyway, so this is obvious?

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Stanley's swimming with the fishes.
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I think that it was Leonard that killed him. Stanley mentioned something about him in his last journal.
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The man on the phone explicitly states that Stanley is dead, and that Leonard killed him. So: "Could Stanely be alive?" Not a chance in H.
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Witness420 wrote:Stanley's swimming with the fishes.
I think chopped up like fresh sashimi would be a better description.
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i dont think he is
you find his body bag
mind you, i wish i could say other wise
i got the felling he and Heather needed each other
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Witness420 wrote:Stanley's swimming with the fishes.
Great terminology, Vercetti.

Personally I don't believe anyone in that asylum truly exists except for Leonard and Heather. The rest I think is just the town being itself.
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^ No, Stanley was a real person admitted to Brookhaven.

It wouldn't make much sense to have a file on Leonard and Stanley if only one of them are real.
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Lemex wrote:i dont think he is
you find his body bag
mind you, i wish i could say other wise
i got the felling he and Heather needed each other
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
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There is one theory I like. Its from a plot analysis guid at GameFAQs. Below is the excerpt of Stanley Coleman of which I speak. I don't believe it was Vincent on the Otherworld's phone, but it is indeed the same actor.

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PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:
A patient of Brookhaven Hospital, who was located in ward S07 on the third
floor. His behavior is usually passive, cowardly and selfish, but his
overwhelming love for one woman has led to several incidents in the past.
It is obvious that Stanley is somehow connected to the cult. According to
his diaries, it was the cult that put him in the hospital in the first
place ("The Organization has me shut up in here. They mean to break my
will, to make me forget about all that"). What could be hiding in the
cultist's dark past? We will look at that question later.
Coleman spent a long time in Brookhaven, believing himself to be the only
sane person in the town ("There's not a single person here who's right in
the head. Not just in this hospital --- I mean in all of Silent Hill.
Except me") and keeping his strong love for the Mother of God in his
heart. He hasn't seen her in a long time ("We haven't been able to see
each other for so long"), but soon she will come and free him from the
hospital. He has dreamed of this for a long time. In his ward, he
fantasized about his meeting with the Mother of God, about giving her the
doll, reading her his poems and taking her to his own world, a world just
for them - a Paradise.

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a) Stanley's past
Let's analyze those moments of the game, that point at Coleman's past:
- We know that he and the Mother of God knew each other in the past and he
loved her i.e. Stanley was in love with Alessa. If they both grew up in
the cult, it's no surprise that they knew each.
- Their feelings were mutual: "I'm not YOUR BELOVED Stanley either" - says
Vincent on the phone. And of all SH3 characters Vincent knows the most
about Alessa's past.
- Stanley is always trying to give Heather some sort of doll, like a
memento of their meeting - we can theorize that Stanley gave Alessa a doll
when they were children and their relationship began with that. Heather
says that she played with such dolls when she was a child ("I played with
dolls like this when I was a child, too. It really takes me back"), but
maybe she is once again confusing her own memories with those of Alessa?
- We know that Alessa was burned by Dahlia to summon God, which means she
and Stanley were separated in childhood - that is why he writes that he
hasn't seen her in a very long time. But if she died, why did he believe
she would return?
- Evidently, Stanley believed that Alessa was reborn and would return to
rescue him from the hospital - under a different and with a different face
("I never even knew your name or face until today. But now I know. I know
you're the one I've been waiting for") she would return. In that his faith
is similar to Claudia's.

b) Why was Stanley taken to Brookhaven?
It is possible that Stanley was put there just because he was a sick
psycho, but by his diaries it seems that the cult was somehow involved.
How could he have displeased Claudia and the lot? Maybe Claudia did not
like his perverted erotic fantasies of Saint Alessa? Or maybe she was just
jealous because Alessa had another friend? %)))

c) Dark Love
Love is a good feeling. But in the Otherworld, white turns to black and
good to evil. Love becomes violent and death is erotic.
Stanley's paranoid love is not an exception - his feelings are permeated
with sadomasochism. Is this the influence of Silent Hill's cruel religion?
- In the diary in M4 Stanley says that he wants to open his chest to show
Heather his loving heart or at least carve something like "I love Heather"
on his chest. He wants to hurt himself as a way of proving his love.
- He likes the rooftop, it makes him want to fly. Death seems romantic to
him.
- The poem on the second floor is presumably a reflection of Stanley's
thoughts. Again, we see an obsession with inflicting pain on himself and
his lover:

I'm so sad, I suffer---
and so happy, it hurts.
I want to hurt you
and destroy myself

Here he describes his erotic fantasies: a kiss slowly turns into a
cannibalistic orgy. He takes pleasure in literally sinking his teeth in
his lover's eye, tongue, cheek, ear.
No wonder Heather wasn't very keen on returning his affections.
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During his time in the hospital, Stanley met Leonard Wolf and this didn't
get him anywhere good. Wolf started to hate Coleman for his heresy ("It's
all over. Leonard despises me - because I made fun of it, saying it would
come to this") and soon killed him, destroying his dream of meeting the
Mother of God ("If it weren't for his meddling, I would have been able to
meet you in just a little while").
That means that during SH3 Coleman's already been dead for some time. This
becomes even clearer when Vincent says Stanley is in the morgue and
Leonard is the murderer. Nevertheless, Stanley continued to exist in the
Otherworld (as did his murderer). When Heather comes to the abandoned
hospital, she finds the psycho's diary. The diary is, of course, just a
reflection of his thoughts (notice that other diaries appear ONLY if you
read the first one) in the Otherworld - a peculiar connection between the
worlds of Alessa\Heather and Stanley. In these diaries, Stanley reveals
his desires to Heather and this scares.

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d) Brief analysis of the diaries.

Visiting Room.
Because of minds connection in the Otherworld, Stanley learns that Heather
is the reincarnated Alessa. He is convinced that she has come to free him
from this confinement. He gives her a handmade doll. Funny that Heather at
first thinks that the doll is cute, but when she discovers WHO left it and
WHY, she becomes disgusted by it ("Disgusting. I won't touch that with a
10-foot pole!").

C4.
Stanley is assured that he was put in Brookhaven by members of the cult to
make him forget about the Mother of God. It may be that he simply cannot
accept the fact of his own insanity. Would a sane man glue things to a
wall - including a bug, a cookie, a teddybear and even keys? Also of
interest is his statement that if something doesn't have a purpose, its
existance is pointless, but he himself wrongly believes that he is the
purpose of Heather's existance.

East Hallway.
Unable to accept unrequited love, Stanley prefers to think that Heather's
love is just concealed in her subconscious and it will take time to
surface. Blinded by his love, he thinks that she is wandering the hospital
looking for him.

M4.
Stanley comments of the tattoed man (particularly, says that he doesn't
have anything to do with his death) and reveals his masochistic side.

Special Treatment Room.
His next love-letter begins with a poem - he says that the words of great
poet perfectly convey his own feelings. Note the idea of Stanley and
Heather becoming one: "After all, you and I exist as one. What I give to
you is the same as what I give to me". It is possible that through the
merging of their world, Stanley is slowly merging with Heather, becoming
one with her.

Stairwell.
The wish to fly from the roof reflects his tendency to romanticize death.

Locker
To speed things up, Stanley hints that the code for the third floor door
was written on the back side of a cabinet by a mad doctor. He also writes
that he is the only sane person in Silent Hill.

S07.
Stanley hints at being murdered by Leonard Wolf and tells Heather to watch
out for him ("Heather, watch out for him. Leonard is no ordinary guy").

e) Fun facts
Quote: I shouldn't have let this place get to me, should never have gone
crazy. But it's superbly enjoyable to drown in my love for you...
Metaphor: Dark Love
Symbol: Diary, doll
Name: There is rumor that Stanley Coleman was named after Stanley Kubrick,
but this has never been confirmed.


3-8. Tattooed man.
This man was one of the patients of Brookhaven Hospital - he was found
unconscious on hospital grounds and was placed in ward M4. His possessions
were also put there - an alarm clock and a briefcase with a camera. There
were several tattoos on the man's body - on his left arm was written "The
start time is my key" (hinting that the code to the briefcase is the time
the alarm is set to. But why make it into a tattoo? And is it real?). The
second tattoo was on his heel. It read "Margaret, let's swear our love
until death do us part". It appears that the tattooed man was in love with
a woman named Margaret. But why make such a tattoo on the heel? Was there
no better place?
Everything about this man appears strange. But the main mystery is that he
was found in dead in M4! He died from blood loss due to a knife wound in
the neck. Suicide? But the angle of the wound looked suspicious.
Additionally, the other patient who was supposed to be in M4 at the time,
Stanley Coleman, gave no confirmation of suicide (although Stanley was not
the murderer). Mystery. The police was not informed.

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a) Mysterious death.
Strangely, the tattooed man's death is almost identical to Walter
Sullivan's (although he used a spoon) and the PyramidHeads' (although they
used spears). We can theorize that the man descended into an alternate
world near the hospital and soon committed suicide. But, since the angle
of the wound is suspicious, we can also think that he was killed by
Leonard Wolf (who has had an experience of killing a person with a knife).

b) Who was the tattoed man?
The identity of the tattoed man is shrouded in mystery. Who was he really?
There are different opinions among the fans:
- Some think he is Walter Sullivan. However, Walter died in prison and he
used a spoon. Also, SH4 makes it clear that Walter would never make any
love tattoos on his heels.
- Others think that he is Leonard Wolf. This couldn't be true, because the
dead man, unlike Wofl, was not a patient. For the same reason, he couldn't
be Coleman.
- The most original speculation that I've heard is that the tattooed man
is the cameraman, who worked with Joseph Schreiber. His briefcase contains
a camera and Coleman calls him a liar ("I didn't hate him, though he was a
liar"), possibly for the article about Hope House.
Nevertheless, the deleopers didn't leave us enough data to identify the
man, so we cannot say which one of these assumptions is true.
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This what I know about Stanley:

Stanley is a sexual predator who was once a low-peg member of the cult. He was outsed, most likely for his bad behavior and later admitted to Brookhaven.

He is dead, we know that. Leonard killed him.

And, if you want a suspected manner of death, I'm guessing Leonard probably slit his throat with a shiv.
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