Defense and exploration of Shattered Memories

Post by **Made In Heaven** » 11 Apr 2009

I am actually looking forward to this game even though it takes away memos maybe they will focus more on Harry Mason then Cheryl in this one although it depends on how much they decided to follow the original game. What if it goes off the bad ending where he actually died in the car but it deviates from that and Harry comes back not knowing that he is dead and still searching for Cheryl?

I know it would contradict SH3 too much and the canon still I am interested in seeing where they go with this I also like the thought that I will have to think twice about leaving the sanctuary of the save room. How are they going to handle boss fights though? Maybe it will be like the fights with Pyramid Head where you try to stay alive until it finally decides to leave and at the end of the game you finally figure out what the hell is going on.

That will be too much like Silent Hill 2 though I guess they could have you kill the bosses with Cybil or Kaffman they both have guns.

Post by **_Drake_** » 11 Apr 2009

They could have teamwork in the case of boss battles, they could make it where they distract the boss while you solve a puzzle or two that release a Trap or Weapon that kills the boss (Like a Guillotine)

~Drake

Post by **KageReneko** » 12 Apr 2009

You mean HArry doing the Scooby/Shaggy role distracting the monster while Cybil traps it? Maybe if she gives him a HArrySnack...

Post by **Sake** » 13 Apr 2009

I think he meant something more along the lines of Cybil shooting at the monster and dodging its attacks while Harry figures out a way to use the environment to their advantage.

I'm sure most people here remember the Saddler boss fight in Re4 where you had to use construction beams and oil drums to make him fall down. It may be similar to that.

Post by **Ratiocinator** » 13 Apr 2009

If there's no combat can Harry get injured or does he automatically die if caught by the monsters (or can he shake them off if caught)? If he dies instantly or the like, will that mean the removal of the health packs and med drinks? I don't know if I can handle the removal of the map, radio, and health items all in one game!

Post by **Burning Man** » 13 Apr 2009

The articles mentioned that you will shake the monsters off, but they said nothing about recovering now that you mention it. Maps and radio can be accessed through the iPhone-like accessory, but I don't see how they can emulate a health item with that. We already know that calling 911 will do us no good.

As an example, SIREN will have you heal over time, so Shattered Memories could use mechanics like that if they wanted to.

The thing is, Climax is being quite ambitious about making the game as real-life as possible. In that case, having health items littered all over town will defeat the purpose.

Post by **Reno** » 13 Apr 2009

One could argue your wounds closing up faster than Wolverine could ever manage is kinda defeating the purpose too

Post by **Jonipoon** » 13 Apr 2009

Self-healing was present in The Room, literally. So it wouldn't be new for the Silent Hill series.

It's interesting though, that Climax seems so intrepid in adding elements from SH4 to this game, such as the first person view. Climax is slowly starting to become my new favorite developer.

Post by **_Drake_** » 13 Apr 2009

Hopefully they don't implement the con's, I'd hate to have Enemies that would hit you when you were a decent amount of feet away.

~Drake

Post by **Clyde** » 18 Apr 2009

Burning Man wrote: The thing is, Climax is being quite ambitious about making the game as real-life as possible. In that case, having health items littered all over town will defeat the purpose.

Depends. They could just place the health items in more appropriate locations. Rather than pick up health kits laying around the streets, you could find them in bathrooms, hospitals, or other rooms/places where people tend to keep their medical supplies.

Post by **Morbid.Marionette** » 19 Apr 2009

Clyde wrote:
Burning Man wrote: The thing is, Climax is being quite ambitious about making the game as real-life as possible. In that case, having health items littered all over town will defeat the purpose.
Depends. They could just place the health items in more appropriate locations. Rather than pick up health kits laying around the streets, you could find them in bathrooms, hospitals, or other rooms/places where people tend to keep their medical supplies.

That's a good idea!
I just hope they don't go too Haunting Ground/Clocktower, and give Harry a panic meter.
:C

Post by **Miasma** » 21 Apr 2009

Meeks wrote:I'm really thinking it might be like clocktower where you hide in lockers, certain places, that makes you avoid them. and several cutscenes of him knocking out things and using certain items. I find it all interesting because in this game you might just feel so "weak" in the game ^^ much more scarier for me!

This I want to see! To me Clock Tower and Haunting Ground were more "true" survival horror, it was much scarier when all you could do was run away and hide. But if there also was an option that you could have some weapons (not actually things like guns, but stuff you can find from your surroundings) if your profile says so, it would be even better. Therefore it would have more variety.

Post by **Kenji** » 21 Apr 2009

Clyde wrote:Depends. They could just place the health items in more appropriate locations. Rather than pick up health kits laying around the streets, you could find them in bathrooms, hospitals, or other rooms/places where people tend to keep their medical supplies.

It really doesn't matter where you put them, health drinks and first aid kits don't instantly close up wounds.

In any case, they've made no mention so far of an iPhone item menu, which materializes items for Harry's use, so it's safe to say either there are no health items (and, likely, Harry regenerates health over time) or health items are completely stationary and can only be used on the spot.

Post by **Terminus** » 21 Apr 2009

The Nintendo Power article mentions that enemies try to freeze Harry to death: "If [the enemies] manage to grab Harry, you have to vigorously shake the Wii Remote and Nunchuck to break free before they freeze him to death"(Steve Thomason 42). So he wouldn't really have any physical "wounds" which need to be mended/healed(except for frostbite perhaps).

Maybe the system works like most recent FPS games, where you don't have a life-bar or "health," but rather the system is based on damage over a short time span. If you get hit too much in too short of a time span you will die, or if you are in an enemy's grasp for too long you will die. Which is essentially a variant of a "regenerating over time" system, but the time span taken into consideration is much shorter.

Jedahaw · Post by **Jedahaw** » 22 Apr 2009

Maybe they could make Harry throw things at the monsters, but it won't hurt them, just render them unable to move for awhile.
i'd say it would be good to add in a stamina system, similar to Origins, the more he does a certain action, the lesser the stamina, making him run more slowly, but there will be stamina recovering items, but they won't take effect immediately, but instead over a period of time.

Post by **Loveless_Dogg** » 18 May 2009

Well, I've been sitting this info for a while, I'm actually not sure if this has been posted...but as for defense you can use flares to keep monsters off, though flares do burn out eventually. Creatures will react to heat in a negative way but the more intelligent enemies will hunt you down, talk to other enemies to find you, open doors and climb fences.....So...It's a good thing to know when you don't know what else to do. :p

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 18 May 2009

I hope we still have health items... they're an integral part of silent hill to me. I love them showing up in random places as it makes me feel the town is telling me to push forward.

I agree that if we are going for realism, they could be better placed. I don't see why they need to be removed completely though. =/

Post by **Loveless_Dogg** » 19 May 2009

Burning Man wrote:The thing is, Climax is being quite ambitious about making the game as real-life as possible. In that case, having health items littered all over town will defeat the purpose.

I do remember hearing that things such as locations, clothing and items, during gameplay, will change but items does seem a little vague. You can't really tell if they mean health items.

Post by **Koshercrackers** » 19 May 2009

Did anyone play Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth? The healing system had you realistically patch wounds. Like, for lacerations, you had to use tourniquets, and for blunt trauma, you used splints and the like. I'd like to see this in SM. I've always been curious how drinking a "nutrient-rich" drink can heal an acid burn...

Oh, and three words: Flares And Gasoline.

Post by **dr_worm** » 02 Mar 2010

all i gotta say after it was all said and done FLIPPIN FANTASTIC!