Mary stayed at Brookhaven Hospital

[The Adversary]

>Seems a bit hypocritical if you are going to act so pretentious.<
Sometimes you can be so lovely. :)

[untamedbananaslug]

How about because Brookhaven is in Silent Hill and Mary specifically states she "just loves it here [in Silent Hill]"

I've enjoyed myself at a lot of holiday resorts. That doesn't mean I'd stay at a hospital there. Indeed, it seems rather pointless to stay at a nice tourist resort if you are terminally ill, and likely confined to the hospital for most of the day.

If you knew you were dying and you didn't want to be at home forcing your loved one to take care of you, where would be a better place to go than a place you love and had the best times of your life at?

1. Why did she attend a hospital not in Silent Hill initially, then?

2. Even if we assume (note: assume) that Mary was transferred to Silent Hill, what evidence do you have that she was transferred to Brookhaven?

I'd also like to take the opportunity to state again that no, I would not go to a hospital at a tourist destination. I'd choose a hospital that was:

1. Close to home

2. Provided the best quality of palliative care

I sure as hell wouldn't transfer on a whim, leaving all the familiar faces (such as Laura's) behind. That wouldn't be good for my 'psychological health', the very thing you postulate that Mary transferred because of.

--we don't know because there is never given much information in-game about the situation.

Exactly. Now you're getting it. A theory is supposed to involve interpretation of facts. What we have here is a theory which is being interpreted from assumptions. Or even more accurately, a theory being regarded as axiomatic, and then every aspect of the game being twisted and reinterpreted to 'fit' that theory. The best example of this is 'sound of glass smashing = invisible Mary breaking a vase'. I mean, really? Really?

That is why this thread is 10 pages long, it is all speculation

That's right! It's all speculation. At least we see eye to eye on that. I'd go one step further and say that it's groundless speculation that doesn't even make sense. But honestly, I no longer feel compelled to say why the theory doesn't make sense. Empty conjecture doesn't merit a rebuttal.

a bit hypocritical if you are going to act so pretentious.

If the proponents of this theory can't get their arguments straight, then that is hardly my fault. The only 'strength' of this theory is that it is based on empty conjecture, which can easily be altered and obfuscated on whim when someone with a brain points out that such conjecture just doesn't make sense. That you would attempt to defend such intellectual dishonest strikes me as, well, pretentious.

Sometimes you can be so lovely.

Hey dude. I'm still waiting for evidence that Mary was transferred to Brookhaven because it specialised in psychiatric services. You got something? Anything? No? Then I'll just have to take that as you conceding defeat, and chalk this down as another victory on my behalf. Boy, that was really easy.

[alone in the town]

Empty conjecture doesn't merit a rebuttal.

Prove it.

[untamedbananaslug]

Empty conjecture doesn't merit a rebuttal.

Prove it.

Prove that I need to prove it.

[Harrys_Girl]

Playing Devil's Advocate is everything here. Admit both sides are equal and everything is kosher. No one has to prove anything if no one else is going to prove the opposite.

Mary first went to a hospital outside Silent Hill because she and James did not live IN Silent Hill. Upon showing signs of medical emergency, she'd have been rushed to the E.R. at the closest hospital until she was stable enough to be transfered to another facility that could determine and handle her condition. And upon a patient being label morbidly sick and untreatable, they can pretty much do anything they want. Cancer patients can do hope from hospital to hospital or disappear into the desert for holistic treatments. When the doctor told James "There is still no effective treatment for her condition" he meant that she is already medically labeled "dead" and can pretty much do whatever she wants for the last leg of the race.

Mary didn't want to go home, she says in her letter that she didn't want James to see her deteriorate because she felt ugly. She also cared about his well-being and she didn't want to doom him to sit in a small room watching her slowly fade away. Until you've watched someone you love melt away to just a breathing husk, you won't understand. But that doesn't mean she wanted to be all alone. She calls to James upon his leaving, begging him to stay w/ her because she is scared and wants reassurance. She wants someone to be right there w/ but she doesn't want James and certainly not young Laura, to suffer and watch her die. Thus she picked a hospital not in her home town or near it and where better to go than a facility that is capable of handling the 7 steps of Grief, a mental health facility?

And yes, this is based on common sense and personal experience more than facts directly stated in a guide somewhere. See how I worked it, so that I stayed on topic and didn't preoccupy myself w/ striking out at everyone else? People can agree or disagree and I am more than willing to debate why I think such things. THAT is how this forum works and has worked for this long.

[The Adversary]

>Then I'll just have to take that as you conceding defeat, and chalk this down as another victory on my behalf.<
I wasn't aware someone could simply claim victory after doing nothing.


Oh, wait.

Well. Congratulations anyway, I guess.

>The best example of this is 'sound of glass smashing = invisible Mary breaking a vase'. I mean, really? Really?<
That's your rebuttal. Really? Oh well—I'm not here to change your mind. After all: You've already won everything. You said so yourself. . . .

[alone in the town]

Empty conjecture doesn't merit a rebuttal.

Prove it.

Prove that I need to prove it.

You keep offering rebuttals to this allegedly empty conjecture. Actions are, regrettably, not matching the words.

[AuraTwilight]

So is he done having his whiny bitch fit? Can we move on?

Now that I've thought of it, I pretty much can't entertain any other possibility than Mary requesting to be at Brookhaven herself. She knows she's dying and will probably never get to see Silent Hill with James again as she did before, and James and she are having a hell of a rough patch and James doesn't want to see her. What other option could she possibly make, given the choice?

[pink_isnt_well000]

If your posts happen to go missing it's because they were spam (or in response to spam). We've removed about 100000 posts from this thread already. PLEASE no more.

[VIVIsect]

I made a relevant post regarding the actual subject of the thread. I stated my opinion concerning the plausibility of Mary staying at Brookhaven, as opposed to being sent to a dedicated hospice facility for palliative treatment. How exactly is this considered spam?

[untamedbananaslug]

So is he done having his whiny bitch fit? Can we move on?

Yes yes, move on. Perhaps observers will forget that you have failed to provide any evidence to support your conjecture. Oh, and while you're at it, take a parting shot at the supposed 'troll', because, ya know, you only want to move on.

What other option could she possibly make, given the choice?

Spending her last days in a hospital which is renowned for the quality of its palliative care? Please remember that Mary was dying, and that it's highly likely she would have prioritised quality end of life care over spending her last days in a hospital at her favourite tourist resort.

Come to think of it, you have yet to establish that Brookhaven even *has* a hospice.

[alone in the town]

Please remember that Mary was dying, and that it's highly likely she would have prioritised quality end of life care over spending her last days in a hospital at her favourite tourist resort.

OMG CONJECTURE

The funny thing is, the entire reason Laura even goes to Silent Hill (and almost certainly, by extension, Brookhaven Hospital) is because she assumes precisely the opposite of this. Mary also expresses, in her letter, a generally disapproving attitude towards the care she receives, that she's being kept alive because the hospital is making money due to her continued existence.

This should have been obvious to you from the start, but I'm starting to wonder if you've even played the game.

[untamedbananaslug]

The funny thing is, the entire reason Laura even goes to Silent Hill (and almost certainly, by extension, Brookhaven Hospital) is because she assumes precisely the opposite of this.

So because a 8 year old *assumes* that Mary went to Silent Hill (and 'by extension', Brookhaven [heh, 'by extension', that's quite a leap of faith]), then we should accept this assumption as fact? Why are you relying on Laura's uneducated guesses? Have you come to the realisation that your own conjecture is so shitty, that you are better off relying on an 8 year old's assumptions to make your case?

Mary also expresses, in her letter, a generally disapproving attitude towards the care she receives, that she's being kept alive because the hospital is making money due to her continued existence.

And adversary mentioned earlier in the thread that she was depressed. For all we know, she was going through a depressive episode, and was simply interpreting the actions of others through a window of pessimism.

This should have been obvious to you from the start, but I'm starting to wonder if you've even played the game.

I'm starting to wonder if you have. Perhaps you should spend less time blowing hot air on an internet forum, and go and play the game you profess to have gospel knowledge of. Who knows, perhaps the quality of your conjecture will improve.

[alone in the town]

So because a 8 year old *assumes* that Mary went to Silent Hill (and 'by extension', Brookhaven [heh, 'by extension', that's quite a leap of faith]), then we should accept this assumption as fact? Why are you relying on Laura's uneducated guesses? Have you come to the realisation that your own conjecture is so shitty, that you are better off relying on an 8 year old's assumptions to make your case?

I am still, days later, waiting for you to prove that this hospital is incapable of offering Mary the services she requires on a temporary basis, since that is the source of all the trolling you've done in this thread. Your argument is, after all, that she would not be transferred to Brookhaven, even temporarily, because the hospital is incapable of offering even short-term palliative care. The thing is, you have absolutely zero proof for this assertion, and rely solely on experience you are just as likely lying about having. Your entire argument is, in other words, entirely without merit.

Of course, you completely ignored this the last time I brought it up, and I understand why: it's hard to claim victory if you acknowledge how ridiculous your argument is.

And adversary mentioned earlier in the thread that she was depressed. For all we know, she was going through a depressive episode, and was simply interpreting the actions of others through a window of pessimism.

For all we know, you're conjecturing again. Please cease this intellectual dishonesty immediately if not sooner.

I'm starting to wonder if you have. Perhaps you should spend less time blowing hot air on an internet forum, and go and play the game you profess to have gospel knowledge of. Who knows, perhaps the quality of your conjecture will improve.

I've been defeated again by a sound NUH UH. How will my reputation survive. Sad face.

[pink_isnt_well000]

I made a relevant post regarding the actual subject of the thread. I stated my opinion concerning the plausibility of Mary staying at Brookhaven, as opposed to being sent to a dedicated hospice facility for palliative treatment. How exactly is this considered spam?

Sorry about that. I selected it by accident. I can't put it back but I can quote it for you.

^ The problem with your argument is that we have no idea as to how much time Mary was given when released by her doctors. 6 months? A year? She wasn't long for this world, but she certainly wasn't in any danger of keeling over at any minute, considering that she was capable of being sent home.

You're arguing that Mary would have been shipped off to an institution specifically dedicated to hospice care. But hospice care can be provided anywhere from an institution to a person's home; Wherever and whenever the patient chooses. "Palliative care" can range from the alleviation of physical pain to depression. We have no idea as to how much physical pain Mary was experiencing when released. She would have been prescribed medication to help manage her pain, and obviously she wasn't at the point of needing constant observation and care by doctors. So... We do know, however, that she was a little blue, what with the impending death and all. So why is it such a stretch to think that she would have stayed at a mental health facility for "palliative care" of her depression?

Also, responding with what basically amounts to "nuh uh" doesn't exactly constitute a victory...

[VIVIsect]

No worries. Thanks, Amy.

[The Adversary]

>because a 8 year old *assumes* that Mary went to Silent Hill then we should accept this assumption as fact<
Laura doesn't assume. She knows Mary went to Silent Hill from her letter.

[Harrys_Girl]

Don't bother replying to untamedbananaslug. He seems to have disappeared. Go figure. Funny how that happens to trolls. Weird...

[alone in the town]

How will I ever avenge my bitter defeat??

I'm glad this is all behind us, now. It made me appreciate Monobrow, and nobody wants that, do they?

[SHF]

^yep, I'm talking about the cutscene before the boss fight with the flesh lips.


She does have a key in there.

Touche