Posted: 06 Apr 2008
Well, James didn't abuse Mary, so I don't think that'd really work.
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If you were referring to my theory, which I think you were, I'm not sure what James not abusing Mary has to do with it. True, he doesn't abuse Mary, but what he actually does is far worse. Also, from the English dialogue, it is obvious that she either knows what James did to Mary or is just a fantastic guesser. The only way she would be able to have that information, as discussed other places, is the same way that James is able to piece together her story. So just because James didn't abuse Mary, doesn't mean that Angela's view of men in general cannot depict them as abusive, or even that she doesn't think James was awful to Mary. It's also clear in the English dialogue that she is disgusted and hateful towards him (at least partly) because of the sexual aspects of his nature. Besides, the appearance of the Ideal Father in accordance with the first definition I listed is based in Angela's perception, which may or may not be based in truth.AuraTwilight wrote:Well, James didn't abuse Mary, so I don't think that'd really work.
You can still have sex if your laying on your stomach...FBA 6100 wrote:I do like this explanation very much except for one minor discrepancy, being the fact that Thomas was stabbed in the front of the neck and on the side.
"The probable cause of dea____as
multiple stab wounds to the front
of the neck and the left side of
the torso by a sharp edged
weapon. The estimated____e of
death was somewhere between
11:00 p.____nd 12:30 midnight."
The Abstract Daddy appears to be one person on top of another, the one under lying on their stomach.
Abstract Daddy/Ideal Father represents how 'James' sees Angela, that's how we can see it. Remember the Tablet of the "Seductress"? To 'James', that's Angela.Burning Man wrote:[Note to mods: Like any rule abiding citizen, I used the search button to see if any thread dealt specifically with Abstract Daddy. There are a couple of general threads talking about all the monsters or talking about Angela and the monster's association with her, but not one that dealt with this monster specifically. If you believe this should still be part of another thread, please inform me. Thanks.]
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The general belief is that Abstract Daddy depicts Thomas Orosco molesting his daughter. I shared the same belief until recently, when I've decided to go back to Angela's story using the other official script.
Granted, the general belief does make Angela's story a tad more horrific, but I came to wonder if Abstract Daddy really does represent the sexual abuse (actually, if there were any is another matter of question) that Angela went through during her childhood.
If you read the translated Silent Hill Chronicles at wallofdeath's site, and lookup the description of Abstract Daddy, you'll see that it says the name means "Ideal Father". And you have to ask yourself exactly how is a depiction of Thomas molesting his daughter be "ideal" unless Angela has warped sense of idealism.
Frankly, several people may wonder if there was a translation mistake. I can tell you that at least wallofdeath's translation is correct. Silent Hill Chronicle does use the Japanese term for "ideal" and not "abstract" as in "abstract painting".
I would think that if "abstract daddy" really is supposed to mean "ideal father", then I would speculate that the monster is not a depiction of Thomas molesting Angela, but a depiction of Angela stabbing Thomas to death perhaps. Quite frankly, I believe that to Angela an "ideal father" would be a dead one.
In my opinion, this explanation fits with the overall theme of the monsters in Silent Hill 2. That is, all the monsters are there to remind James of what he did to Mary and not what Mary did to him. Symmetrically, if Angela has a monster, then it should remind her of what she did, and not what Thomas did to her. Aren't all the characters that are called to Silent Hill there because of what they did?
This may be a reason why James is able to see Abstract Daddy as well. If Abstract Daddy, in the general sense, depicts one person taking the life of another, then it could also depict James taking the life of Mary.
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edit by amphreded: I added the picture for future references.