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 Post subject: The Religious Pantheon of Silent Hill

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Brace yourselves, because this is a bit long and involved. It also requires a general knowledge of the plots of all 4 games thus far, as well as the characters and their motivations. I’ve been reading all kinds of plot analyses online, and one thing I don’t really see anywhere is a complete pantheon of deities. It’s something that’s admittedly vague in the world of Silent Hill, and I’m not sure how far Team Silent has evolved this, but as meticulous as they are with everything else I have to believe they’ve got it all mapped out too.

I should mention that while this is only a theory, and I’m fully prepared to admit I’ve got it all wrong, a vast majority of this information fits, and is consistent with a lot of ancient religion. Team Silent really did their homework when they came up with this stuff.

I should also mention that as I write this, I’m not really taking spoilers into account. So if you haven’t played the games, read ahead at your own risk and don’t say I didn’t warn you!



About me: A little about myself so you get some perspective on my views and research background... I was born into a Roman Catholic family, and went to a Catholic school until third grade, before transferring to public school. I never really ‘connected’ with the religion; it was just never my “thing” despite the urges of seemingly everyone around me, but I’ve never necessarily been against it either. We’d go to church but I never felt anything. I’d go to Sunday school but while everyone else was focusing on the stories and fables, I’d much rather learn the core lessons behind them...I've always been an analytical thinker. By the time I was a teenager, I was no longer coerced into it and was pretty much allowed to go my own way, though I still celebrate the family-oriented holidays. Years of exposure to the rituals and nuances of it all, without too much pressure to accept it, gave me a fascination with religion. I love learning about it, but it does nothing for me on a personal level. I am now what I like to refer to as an “apatheist”. An atheist believes in no god at all. An agnostic doesn’t know, but may still be spiritual. An “apatheist” doesn’t know and doesn’t care.

I just like to observe and learn. I am also an aspiring writer, so a combination of my creativity and knack for research has allowed me to develop this topic as far as I can take it.

So with that in mind, onto the meat of the matter...


SECTION I: Tiers & Appearances

The way I interpret the hierarchy of gods in the Silent Hill religion is that all of the different sects seem to agree on what the structure actually IS, even though the different sects only empower/worship different parts. So unlike many religions, the structure of this one is very consistent through all branches of it.

There are three tiers of the hierarchy:

The God, or Goddess if you like, sits at the top. I believe the androgyny is intentional, as we’ve seen that the God can take many forms depending on the summoner.

Note that if you do the side quest in SH1 and douse Alessa with the aglaophotis, the “Incubus” bursts forth. If you don’t, you fight “Mother Alessa”. This is due to whoever is in control of Alessa at the time; Dahlia, or Alessa herself. If it’s Dahlia, Alessa takes the form of Dahlia’s vision of The God. If it’s Alessa, she takes form of her own version of the Goddess, which is a “perfect” version of herself. In Silent Hill 3, it was Claudia’s vision of The God.

In Silent Hill 4, it’s a little different. Walter sees Room 302 as his “mother”. 19th century English novelist William Thackeray states, “Mother is the name for God in the lips and hearts of little children”. In Walter Sullivan’s mind, he is still a child, and still desires to return to his mother. So in SH4, Room 302 has elements of “mother” and “birth”, and therefore is a manifestation of The God according to Sullivan.

Immediately below on the second tier, we have representatives of blood and fire...

Xuchilbara: The Red God, closely associated with bloodletting and gory sacrifices.
Lobsel Vith: The Yellow God, closely associated with flame and burning sacrifices.

As mentioned above, the final boss of SH1’s appearance is determined by whether or not you use the aglaophotis. But why? The reason is because Dahlia’s sect has close ties to Lobsel Vith, as evidenced by the sacrificial burning. Aglaophotis is a red liquid that represents sacred blood, Xuchilbara’s strong suit, which counteracts the methods of Lobsel Vith carried out thorough flame. Kaufmann knows this, and I suspect his drug operation had ties with minions of both gods, which is how he got the aglaophotis in the first place; Dahlia seems surprised he even knows what it is. Note also that the aglaophotis didn’t work in SH3, because it seems to have no effect against the work of the Red God (focus of Claudia's cult). Yet in SH4, holy flames are used to counteract the spirits released in the bloody rituals of the 21 Sacraments.

On the third tier are the angels, or demons, depending on how you look at each...the first two have origins in Talmudic Judaism, while the third seems to be a creature unique to the games.

Samael is the minion angel of Xuchilbara. He is the personification of God’s wrath, and the fallen angel of death. He is also the “accuser” and “seducer”.
Metatron is a minion of Lobsel Vith. He is a protector, a guide, and a watcher. He is actually the opposite of a fallen angel; his origins are from the biblical Enoch, a man taken by God and turned into an angel.
Valtiel is a neutral “agent of God”, who works both for and against the 2nd-tier gods, directly serving The God to assist in its birth. The name comes from the words “valet” and the “-el” suffix meaning angel. He himself is neither benevolent nor malevolent, he simply carries out his duty according to whoever is using him at the time.

It is important to note that Samael and Metatron are constantly at odds with each other. Unlike their parent gods, who work both against and with each other, their head angels are enemies. Metaphorically, as you travel down the Flauros pyramid, the agents of The God get further and further apart, until at the bottom the two angels are opposite each other. Neither Samael nor Metatron physically appear in any of the games as of yet, but their presences are felt quite often. Many people speculated that the end boss in the “good ending” of Silent Hill 1 was Samael. Actually though, Samael doesn’t appear in-game, but does influence many events. Samael is classically represented as a serpent, a camel, or in human form carrying a sword. The “Incubus” boss’s appearance is actually closer to the look of occult idol/demon Baphomet.

So let’s recap:
The God = Paradise through suffering and pain.
Xuchilbara = Red, blood, piercing.
Lobsel Vith = Yellow, fire, burning.
Samael = Wrath, seduction, accusation.
Metatron = Protection, observation.
Valtiel = Mediation, assistance, rebirth.

Then there’s the Holy Mother, whose only purpose is to birth The God. Both the Red & Yellow sides have different methods of doing this.


SECTION II: Trinities


With me so far? Good, that leads me to the structure itself...

A general note about trinities, because The Order has plenty. The trinity is one of the most recognizable symbols in Christianity in particular. The Christian trinity of course, is that of “The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit”, all making up one entity, “God”. A metaphor commonly used to explain how it works is a three-leaf clover. There are three petals of the clover, but it is one single object. A more modern comparison might be several different franchises under the same parent corporation. A good graphical representation of how it works can be found on the right side of the page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Go ... ee_persons

Now, how this relates to Silent Hill...as can be seen from many pieces of evidence, the cult’s origins are an amalgam of Judeo-Christian values and Native American ritual and symbolism. It seems that the early settlers of the town, most being Talmudic Jewish, and others Christian (likely Protestant, given the Puritanical nature of the witch trials), melded their religions with those of native tribes over several generations, adopting religious traditions and artifacts. One such artifact that becomes a large part of the first game is the Flauros, a major and powerful symbol of the cult which I believe holds the key to the pantheon’s structure:

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It seems to me that the hierarchy is very focused on trinities. The shape of the Flauros is a 4-sided pyramid, each side displaying 4 smaller triangles in itself (4 seems to be a significant number; the 4 items for the Rebirth Ceremony, the Four Atonements, 4th elevator floor). I believe that each point on each triangle represents a major deity, and each triangle represents a trinity. The shape of the Flauros itself is also a pyramid/triangle. It could be said that the two halves of the triangle, split down the middle, are a split between “good” and “evil”, but I don’t think that’s an accurate conclusion. Rather, each side is in balance: There is some good and some evil in each, but each side’s methods are for the express purpose of delivering the God to Earth and bringing about Paradise through pain and suffering.

Looking at the Flauros, it can be inferred that the structure goes much like this:


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The numbers correspond to the trinities that can be determined:

Trinity 1: The God, Xuchilbara, Lobsel Vith
In cult lore, even through its many changes, there has almost certainly always been one primary god that is in charge of (or at least works in tandem with) two other minor gods. As stated before, the God’s gender is ambiguous and can be referred to either way. On the other hand, the Red God is seemingly masculine in portrayal, while Lobsel Vith is likely female, typically as are her followers and her sacrifices. This coincides with the cult’s lore of the first man and woman each offering a serpent and reed to the sun, producing The God from their sadness. Out of the two came the God to rule over all, a metaphor which is consistent with the trinity. Note as well that the center of the Halo of the Sun logo is comprised of three circles in a triangle formation, likely representing the three major gods.

The Red and Yellow gods are both constantly at odds, and constantly working together; much like male and female, or even the yin/yang. Each of these two gods is likewise also the head of a trinity of their own.

But first, I’ll get into the minor trinity directly below it, since that one must be explained before interpreting the others.


Trinity 2: Xuchilbara, Lobsel Vith, Valtiel
Valtiel is an interesting being, in that he escorts any ‘shift’ between worlds, and therefore is a liaison for both sides. The Valtiel Sect in Silent Hill 4 even has liaisons in both the Holy Mother and Saint Ladies sects, and takes elements from each. Holy Mother is a sect of Xuchilbara, while Saint Ladies is a sect of Lobsel Vith, and therefore it’s safe to say that these compile a minor trinity. Valtiel’s purpose is to be a “valet” for the Holy Mother and her safety in delivering The God to birth, but through the first trinity, the two other gods work through Valtiel. In many ways, through Valtiel’s actions and guidance are the only times the two sides ever truly cooperate. So while they are at odds in their ideals and methods to bring about Paradise, they want the same thing, and Valtiel is the one who can provide.

One thing that is worth mentioning is that in Silent Hill 3, Valtiel is seen with the Talisman of Metatron seemingly tattooed on both his shoulder blades. Likewise in Silent Hill 2, Pyramid Head is dressed exactly like Valtiel aside from the helmet. I believe this is because the way he is depicted is not Valtiel’s typical form at all. Since Valtiel is neutral, he may not even have his own true form, just whichever god is working through him at the time. I believe that in all manifestations of Valtiel, both minor gods are present, but one or the other holds more sway depending on the situation. For executions and punishment, Pyramid Head form. For birth of The God, Valtiel form.


Trinity 3: Xuchilbara, Samael, Valtiel
In each of the two minor trinities, one of the lesser gods is the head of two angels. It appears that Samael does the work of Xuchilbara, as the head demon (or fallen angel, if you will) of this “Red Trinity”. As mentioned before, Valtiel does the work of both the Red and Yellow gods, and so is a corner of both trinities where they meet at the bottom in the Flauros diagram.

In accordance with the above points, in Silent Hill 2, Xuchilbara works through Valtiel, taking the form of Pyramid Head. Pyramid Head’s helmet is stained red, he carries sharp objects, and he’s the template for the executioners of days past. There is evidence that James is not the only one who sees Pyramid Head. James’s subconscious sexual frustration is what causes Pyramid Head’s behavior (rape of other creatures, violence against both James and Maria), but not his appearance or purpose (punishment).

Note as well that Claudia’s sect in SH3 is also likely Xuchilbara’s, as she seems more concerned with blood sacrifice than flame. The cult that worships the Holy Mother as a religious figure is more closely related to Xuchilbara. In SH3 Heather encounters a lot of bloody things as well, particularly hospital gurneys, the bloody bathroom stall early on, and many of the rooms of the church with bleeding walls. Add to that, Claudia is trying to cultivate Heather’s wrath. And who’s the angel of death that represents wrath again? That’s right, Claudia is using the cult of Xuchilbara to invoke the influence of Samael. In this way Heather can give birth to the God through her pain and hatred.


Trinity 4: Lobsel Vith, Metatron, Valtiel
Referring to the previous point, this also means that in SH3, Valtiel is taking his other form. This time he’s serving Lobsel Vith. Note the shoulder tattoos, as well as the skin of his head looking entirely like the texture of burn scars. This also determines his behavior in this game; he is protecting Heather (or rather, The God inside her). Lobsel Vith is around, using Metatron to protect Heather, through Valtiel as a guide. In this way, the gods are actually working together for once. Xuchilbara’s violence and wrath let The God grow and develop, while Lobsel Vith and Metatron keep it safe from harm. Besides, Xuchilbara got to use Valtiel last time, so it’s only fair that Vith gets a turn.

Valtiel appears there as a liaison in this “Yellow Trinity”. While it may seem like this one is more benevolent, and in Metatron’s case it may well be, realize that this side only serves the best interests of The God, and not the Holy Mother. Note that although Lobsel Vith is more of a protective god, the birth of The God through this side still requires ritual burning, and sacrifice through pain and suffering.


SECTION III: Influence


Red & Yellow throughout the games:
The Red and Yellow gods have all kinds of influence throughout the games. Notice that whenever you reach the ‘Otherworld’, there are two themes that stick out: Rust, and blood. Yellow is a prominent color in all forms of organic decay, including flesh, metal, and plant matter. Red is, of course, the color of blood.

Silent Hill 1 focuses mainly on Lobsel Vith’s influence on the birth of The God. Flames, Metatron, protection. Xuchilbara only gets an honorable mention for the aglaophotis, and Dahlia’s lie about Samael.

Xuchilbara is all over SH2, between Eddie’s bloody corpses, Angela’s knife and murder of her father, and Maria being stabbed repeatedly. Lobsel Vith is only manifested very subtly in SH2, through Angela’s punishment in the form of her visions of the town constantly burning.

Silent Hill 3 has a pretty big focus on Xuchilbara again through Claudia’s cult, but the influences of the Yellow Trinity are pretty evident through the presence of Valtiel. Claudia is taking the opposite approach to Alessa/Heather/Cheryl that Dahlia once did.

The flames of Lobsel Vith do make a subtle return in Silent Hill 4. Note that Jasper’s murder is through flame, but as part of the ritual. Also as mentioned above, most of Walter Sullivan’s 21 Sacraments are bloody, gory acts (Xuchilbara), while the flames of holy candles (Lobsel Vith) are what exorcise the invading spirits. Quite the opposite of SH1, where you used the symbolic blood against a person consumed by flames.

Supposedly, Silent Hill 0rigins is going to be focused on the times previous to SH1, when Dahlia was in power. It seems as though fire may return to the forefront here.

Based on this pattern I’d guess that we’ll be seeing more flames in SH5, or a more equal balance of both, and hopefully we’ll learn more about Lobsel Vith.


Angels throughout the games:
Samael and Metatron each have had a presence in the first three games, while the fourth mainly provides background information that fleshes out each of these aspects. Valtiel also takes different forms or influences, but may not be a part of SH1 at all, as Dahlia seemed to want to bypass any mediator and delve straight into a battle between her and Alessa.

Dahlia’s rituals were carried out through Lobsel Vith’s ritual of flame, and so Alessa knows that as a side effect she can use the protection of Metatron against her mother by completing the Talisman. Dahlia tells Harry that the Talisman of Metatron is actually the Mark of Samael because Samael represents forces opposed to her, and she wants Harry on her side to use as a pawn, so she lies. Of course, Harry is oblivious either way, but that’s par for the course in Silent Hill protagonists, isn’t it?

Samael is mostly present in SH2 as the “accuser” and the “seducer” (working through the behaviors of Laura and Maria, respectively). However, note that the area where James fights the two Pyramid Heads has a faint symbol of Metatron in the carpet...I view this as another example of both minor gods being present whenever Valtiel is manifested: while Xuchilbara is in manifestation, Lobsel Vith must also be represented in the creatures. This, I believe, is why each PH is carrying a colored egg; crimson for Xuchilbara, rust for Lobsel Vith.

As mentioned, the invocation of Heather’s wrath is what drives Claudia’s purpose through SH3, while Metatron quite literally rides on the shoulder of Valtiel to protect Heather and The God from harm.

Silent Hill 4 certainly involves themes of Samael’s wrath and destruction through Walter Sullivan, and a definite theme of protection through Henry’s prolonged escorting of Eileen. Valtiel on the other hand, seems to only be mentioned through the Valtiel sect of the cult as a mediator between the two opposing sides, much like Valtiel himself is a mediator of the gods and angels.


SECTION IV: Miscellaneous Notes

Full Triangle:
A full trinity of God/Samael/Metatron isn’t necessarily correct, as each line between them is interrupted by either a minor god, or an agent of a god. They are in many ways opposed to each other, though their masters and associates certainly work together. However, the full pyramid can be considered a representation of the full picture.

Likewise each side or straight line in the full triangle is not necessarily a trinity, but merely a line of subservience from top to bottom. Rather, in each side of the diagram, the first is working through the second to serve the third, and in turn, to aid the rebirth. The left side of the pyramid’s imagery is often dark, decrepit, and bloody. The right side’s imagery is often light and in flames. Some might even say that the flashlight carried around by the protagonists is provided through Lobsel Vith’s influence.

Other deities:
There are several minor deities and spirits in the pantheon, but they’re more symbolic. They are treated with respect, but are not necessarily worshipped or followed. It seems in this sense that the religion in Silent Hill is somewhat universal, in that it respects all religions as valid, and holds others’ symbols and artifacts as sacred.

In several forms of ritual magic (note that Dahlia practices gyromancy, for example), including those of Wiccan and Pagan practices, the “Olympic Spirits” are prominent. The names of the seven Olympic spirits turn up in Silent Hill 1 as names of various rooms late in the game. These spirits are Hagith, Phaleg, Ophiel, Bethor, Aratron, Och, and Phul. According to numerology, each of these spirits rules over several territories of the universe. Each also corresponds to one of the seven Archangels of Abrahamic religions.

The corresponding Archangels are:
Och = Michael
Phul = Gabriel
Aratron = Cassiel
Bethor = Sachiel (sometimes ‘Zadkiel’)
Hagith = Anael
Ophiel = Raphael
Phaleg = Samael (sometimes ‘Azrael’)

Each Archangel, according to the Kabbalah, has a Seal - a symbolic design inside a circle - that make up the Seven Seals as told in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. According to the faith, the Seven Seals will open at the end of the world, or the apocalypse. Note that our familiar name of Samael appears here, and that his Seal is represented by a 5-pointed star laid over a triangle. Note also that Raphael’s Seal looks quite similar to the Talisman of Metatron, which is probably no coincidence as Raphael was known as a healer above all else.

These are more heavy references to the Hebrew Bible, though in medieval Christian mythology some of these were either Seraphim, Cherubim, or Ophanim/Thrones, according to the angelic hierarchy. In Protestantism though, Michael is typically considered the only Archangel, so I’m going with the Judaic reference.

It’s also interesting to note that around the same time you encounter these named rooms, you are also required to collect religious artifacts for a puzzle. Each artifact corresponds to a different world religion:
Amulet of Solomon: The biblical Solomon of Judeo-Christian faith.
Crest of Mercury: Roman god Mercury, god of trade and commerce.
Dagger of Melchior: Zoroastrian priest and one of the three biblical wisemen.
Ankh: Egyptian religious symbol of life.
Disk of Ouroboros: The name “Ouroboros” is Greek, but the symbol appears everywhere from ancient Chinese, to Aztec, to Norse, to Hindu. It is the representation of cycles, with a picture of a snake eating its own tail.



...And that’s pretty much it. It’s somewhat complicated, but the diagram of the Flauros and what it represents should clear up a lot of things. Feel free to share this with other people, just please give me credit for it. I’ll probably be putting this up on Gamefaqs pretty soon too, but first I wanted to post here to gauge the reaction of people who are somewhat better equipped to analyze it. Namely, you fine folks at Silent Hill Heaven.


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Holy... :shock: That's alot information to absorb. But I like the fact that it's complete and that it covers everything. Thanks! 8)

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Wow perhaps I finally am beginning to understand Silent hill a little different then a simple video game.what you post about the Flauros makes sense too me for a change although I thought Samael was the god\goddess not one of the three angels.Didn't Dahlia say something to nature that Samael was god at the end of silent hill 1.I think she said god was going to be born and then the next part is Samael trying to kill you right or was that another creature?I get them confused some times you know all kind of want to kill you.Oh wait though because heather in silent hill 3 was supposed to be the mother of god right so that means what exactly.That Samael is heather dad maybe?Ok Its Official I like Silent hill but it makes NO SENSE to me at all.


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Wow this clears up alot of my questions! :D

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Samael doesn't exist in the Silent Hill universe. That was Dahlia tricking Harry into believing that what Alessa was doing was evil. The Mark of Samael was actually the Seal of Metatron, there is no Samael in Silent Hill.


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holy thats alot of info although it covers every thing mostly needed thanks :D

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YHWH wrote:
Samael doesn't exist in the Silent Hill universe. That was Dahlia tricking Harry into believing that what Alessa was doing was evil. The Mark of Samael was actually the Seal of Metatron, there is no Samael in Silent Hill.


Yes and no. A great portion of the cult is psychological. Samael and Metatron are not tangible, physical beings, which is why they never appear. They ARE names and ideas though, two things which hold influence over the cult's religious beliefs. That is why they are minor parts of the trinities and not standing alone...they are derivatives of the Red and Yellow gods. They are mostly metaphorical, but still hold great power.

Physically, if the Red or Yellow gods wanted to manifest themselves as someone's idea of what Samael or Metatron looks like, they certainly could. But as for existing in general, who's to say any of these gods really exist outside of the minds of the people who see them?


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gutsdozer...you're the man.

Can't wait to see the same thing up on Gamefaqs

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Gutsdozer, you the man!
A most interesting and entertaining read.

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gutsdozer wrote:
Yes and no. A great portion of the cult is psychological. Samael and Metatron are not tangible, physical beings, which is why they never appear. They ARE names and ideas though, two things which hold influence over the cult's religious beliefs. That is why they are minor parts of the trinities and not standing alone...they are derivatives of the Red and Yellow gods. They are mostly metaphorical, but still hold great power.


No, Samael does not exist in the cult's beliefs. Dahlia only mentions them to Harry in reference to the symbols that Alessa was painting around the town. She did it make Harry believe that Alessa was evil.

gutsdozer wrote:
Physically, if the Red or Yellow gods wanted to manifest themselves as someone's idea of what Samael or Metatron looks like, they certainly could. But as for existing in general, who's to say any of these gods really exist outside of the minds of the people who see them?


The God's image is relative to the conjurer, to say that they God's existance is only in the conjurer then I would say that Silent Hill 3 was very illogical.


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First of all, bravo!

Second of all - RAAARGH!!! TEAR THE THEORY TO SHREDS!!!! :)


1) Brilliant idea about the Blood vs Fire thing. But in SH3, the Aglophotis DOES work against the God - it's the Seal of Metatron that fails. And if the Seal of Metatron can be said to represent the Valtiel Sect (see Thomas's Theory re. Metatron), then the whole concept of different Sect symbols counteracting each other may get snagged there.

2) Yeah, sorry dude, but it's generally accepted that the Samael thing was thought up by Dahlia just to yank Harry's crank.

3) I'm not sure about identifying Lobsel Vith with the female aspect, partly due to his association with the Incubus, and his appearance in the cult painting in the SH3 Chapel.

4) Interesting ideas about the presence of the pantheon in SH2 (the rust/crimson egg, and the roles of Laura and Maria as Accuser and Seducer). The prevailing thought is that SH2 is almost a stand-alone kind of stor revolving completely around James rather than any divine machinations. I'll be interested to see what other members say about this.

5) You're associating the Archangel Raphael with the Seal of Metatron, but at the same time you're identifying Metatron as angel in his own right transcended from Enoch. I don't think you can hold both of these points of views. The similarity between the Seal of Metatron and Raphael's Seal may have something to do with the fact that both the Seal and Hospitals play a large part in the games (Raphael as the angel of medicine is sometimes said to preside over hospitals and healers) - and both the Seal and Hospitals often prove pivotal to the victory of the protagonist.



Meh, I haven't really torn it to shreds that much. :?

Basically, if you can overturn the current opinion that Samael is a work of fiction on Dahlia's behalf, then you have got yourself a pretty cracking theory there my friend.

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I believe Algaophotis's power isn't determined by the Red/Yellow conflict, but by Alessa/Heather's belief in it. O.o In SH3, it was only successful because she had faith in her father.

Besides that and the fact that Metatron and Samael don't exist, this was a well-written essay.

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Though it's already been said, I'll reinforce is..Samael does not exist in Silent Hill. It's just a name made up by Dahlia. There's nothing behind it.

Nice read, though. Look forward to seeing more of you around here.


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Samael = Metatron = Valtiel = Xuchilbara

There is no "Saint Ladies" sect, by the way. There's an awful lot more I could go through, but. . . .

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. . . AND THAT'S THAT.


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some of things written there are wrong, if you care we may patch it up cause its overall well made. Now all SH noobs could start their journey here by reading something like this instead of making hundereds of dumb thereads with "why who what".


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Agreed, I see a few flaws in it, but over all its well spelled out and for Noobs to the game it may shed a little light...But anyone can take paralells (sp) from the game into many things..either way, no matter what SH is the game of any day :>

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Awesome thread! It also clears up a few things for me too. But a couple of you are saying that there is something wrong with it...what exactly?

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What's wrong with it is that Samael was something that Dahlia pulled out of her ass.


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BloodRedLion wrote:
What's wrong with it is that Samael was something that Dahlia pulled out of her ass.


Samael physical form is Dahlias imagination/delusion. Unless you mean direct place where it came from


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KRYSTA-GG- wrote:
Samael physical form is Dahlias imagination/delusion.


You're thinking of Baphomet.


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