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>I thought from Silent Hill 3 or 4 it was revealed that Dahlia was a leader of The Order with quite a bit of influence and power.
Dahlia wasn't a leader of The Order itself, as the Order was broken into three sects. Dahlia was part of one of them (Holy Woman, I think?) but I can't remember if it said she was the leader or just a high-ranking member (if it said either at all).
Dahlia wasn't a leader of The Order itself, as the Order was broken into three sects. Dahlia was part of one of them (Holy Woman, I think?) but I can't remember if it said she was the leader or just a high-ranking member (if it said either at all).
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It had to have the Holy Mother sect, since that was the one Claudia and Walter were a part of, the one that believes that God will be reborn through a human female and bring Paradise.Dahlia wasn't a leader of The Order itself, as the Order was broken into three sects. Dahlia was part of one of them (Holy Woman, I think?) but I can't remember if it said she was the leader or just a high-ranking member (if it said either at all).
What are the other two sects again?
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Oh. My. God. MISINFORMATION ALERT! MISINFORMATION ALERT!
First and foremost: None of the sects are named after colors. The 3 known sects—yes, there are others that have yet to be revealed—are:
· the sect of the Holy Mother
· the sect of the Holy Woman
· the sect of Valtiel
The sect of the Holy Mother is the sect Walter "belonged" to, led by George Rosten and eventually Toby Archibold. This sect believed god would be "inserted," essentially, into a person or object. Leonard Wolf also was a member—though not a leader.
The sect of the Holy Woman is the sect to which Dahlie Gillespie and Claudia Wolf belonged. Neither were leaders: Dahlia was considered a bit of a loose cannon, so to speak; Claudia frightened other members of the Order w/ her severe piety. This sect believed a holy woman would be impregnated via the ritual of resurrection, from which god would be birthed.
The sect of Valtiel was created as an intermediary between the above 2 rivaling factions. Jimmy Stone (a.k.a. "the red devil") was its leader.
First and foremost: None of the sects are named after colors. The 3 known sects—yes, there are others that have yet to be revealed—are:
· the sect of the Holy Mother
· the sect of the Holy Woman
· the sect of Valtiel
The sect of the Holy Mother is the sect Walter "belonged" to, led by George Rosten and eventually Toby Archibold. This sect believed god would be "inserted," essentially, into a person or object. Leonard Wolf also was a member—though not a leader.
The sect of the Holy Woman is the sect to which Dahlie Gillespie and Claudia Wolf belonged. Neither were leaders: Dahlia was considered a bit of a loose cannon, so to speak; Claudia frightened other members of the Order w/ her severe piety. This sect believed a holy woman would be impregnated via the ritual of resurrection, from which god would be birthed.
The sect of Valtiel was created as an intermediary between the above 2 rivaling factions. Jimmy Stone (a.k.a. "the red devil") was its leader.
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What about the sect of Shepherd's Glen? Is that an entirely new sect, or do they belong to one of the other three?
Would they, though? Dahlia was a master of manipulating and tricking others into doing her bidding. Couldn't she have put on one face for The Order while working against them at the same time?They would all have to be pretty insane to allow Dahlia to run things though.
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No. SG was not part of The Order. The founding families were at one point generations back.DamienPales wrote:What about the sect of Shepherd's Glen? Is that an entirely new sect, or do they belong to one of the other three?
As MMY stated, Dahlia was a loose canon. Were not the only ones that see that. I'm certain other Order members saw that in her as well. I'm doubting seriously she could've been the leader, no matter how manipulative she was.DamienPales wrote:Would they, though? Dahlia was a master of manipulating and tricking others into doing her bidding. Couldn't she have put on one face for The Order while working against them at the same time?
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Not THE leader, just a high-ranking one.As MMY stated, Dahlia was a loose canon. Were not the only ones that see that. I'm certain other Order members saw that in her as well. I'm doubting seriously she could've been the leader, no matter how manipulative she was.
I just remembered where in Silent Hill 4 Dahlia is mentioned. It's on those stones in the Forest where Wish House is, the ones only Eileen can read. This is the one that mentions Dahlia: http://www.shm.silenthillfever.com/sh4/ ... en-029.mp3
And this one too: http://www.shm.silenthillfever.com/sh4/ ... en-031.mp3
If she's an "important lady", that must mean she's well respected by at least a fair amount of The Order.
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Well, Walter wrote those entries on the stones, and he was a member of the Holy Mother sect. So his superiors must have told him that Dahlia was an important lady that was going to visit the orphans.
Where exactly does it say that the Order looked down on Dahlia? I understand that the non-Order affiliated citizens of Silent Hill thought she was a crazy wench, but I got no inkling from any Order members that Dahlia was crazy or insane, except from Kaufmann for obvious reasons.
Where exactly does it say that the Order looked down on Dahlia? I understand that the non-Order affiliated citizens of Silent Hill thought she was a crazy wench, but I got no inkling from any Order members that Dahlia was crazy or insane, except from Kaufmann for obvious reasons.
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>Where exactly does it say that the Order looked down on Dahlia?
Silent Hill Official Guidebook Complete Edition
Dahlia "impulsively carried out the ritual in her own basement" as opposed to the "place [the Order] use[s] for rituals."
Additionally, Vincent calls Dahlia a "crazy, old hag," if I remember correctly. If Claudia's piety is frightening to members of the Order, what did they think of Dahlia?
Silent Hill Official Guidebook Complete Edition
Dahlia "impulsively carried out the ritual in her own basement" as opposed to the "place [the Order] use[s] for rituals."
Additionally, Vincent calls Dahlia a "crazy, old hag," if I remember correctly. If Claudia's piety is frightening to members of the Order, what did they think of Dahlia?
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That doesn't mean they looked down on her, it just means she's bucking their traditions in order to birth God. Alessa obviously wasn't going to allow God to be born naturally, so Dahlia had to do something outside of The Order's way of doing things.
Vincent doesn't say anything about Dahlia. I did a keyword search for "Dahlia" on the script for SH3, and nothing came up.
EDIT: Disregard my statement about Vincent and Dahlia. I found it. But I don't know if Vincent is representative of the views of most members of The Order. He was a conniving little thief, and he obviously doesn't like the whole "birthing God" idea.
Vincent doesn't say anything about Dahlia. I did a keyword search for "Dahlia" on the script for SH3, and nothing came up.
EDIT: Disregard my statement about Vincent and Dahlia. I found it. But I don't know if Vincent is representative of the views of most members of The Order. He was a conniving little thief, and he obviously doesn't like the whole "birthing God" idea.
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>Alessa obviously wasn't going to allow God to be born naturally
Alessa had nothing to do w/ the ritual; she wasn't aware of what was happening.
>so Dahlia had to do something outside of The Order's way of doing things.
Not true. The process of impregnating a young woman had been done numerous times. Each girl died, however. Until Alessa, everything failed. The Order knew what was going to happen—the sect of the Holy Woman believes in that method of impregnation—Dahlia just went ahead and did it w/out them, alone, in the basement of her house.
>Vincent doesn't say anything about Dahlia.
Well, you're mistaken. Vincent says, "[Claudia] was totally brainwashed by that crazy old hag." He continues, "I guess 'crazy old hag' is a bit harsh. She is your mother after all. . . ." Thus: Dahlia.
Alessa had nothing to do w/ the ritual; she wasn't aware of what was happening.
>so Dahlia had to do something outside of The Order's way of doing things.
Not true. The process of impregnating a young woman had been done numerous times. Each girl died, however. Until Alessa, everything failed. The Order knew what was going to happen—the sect of the Holy Woman believes in that method of impregnation—Dahlia just went ahead and did it w/out them, alone, in the basement of her house.
>Vincent doesn't say anything about Dahlia.
Well, you're mistaken. Vincent says, "[Claudia] was totally brainwashed by that crazy old hag." He continues, "I guess 'crazy old hag' is a bit harsh. She is your mother after all. . . ." Thus: Dahlia.
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Well, Dahlia was trying to get Alessa to do something, because Alessa kept refusing because she just wanted to be with her mother. It's what they're talking about before the final boss in SH1 on the landing of the house. Then Dahlia has an idea on how to speed things up.Alessa had nothing to do w/ the ritual; she wasn't aware of what was happening.
Why would she do it without them? Would The Order not have approved the ritual or something?The Order knew what was going to happen—the sect of the Holy Woman believes in that method of impregnation—Dahlia just went ahead and did it w/out them, alone, in the basement of her house.
I found it after all, I edited my message too late. I just said that Vincent seems like he's not the typical Order member. He doesn't even like what the Sect of the Holy Woman is trying to do in the first place, so it seems he's just disillusioned with the whole religion in general, not just Dahlia specifically.Well, you're mistaken. Vincent says, "[Claudia] was totally brainwashed by that crazy old hag." He continues, "I guess 'crazy old hag' is a bit harsh. She is your mother after all. . . ." Thus: Dahlia.
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>It's what they're talking about before the final boss in SH1 on the landing of the house.
Alessa is refusing to "lend [Dahlia] a teensy bit of [Alessa's] power." Dahlia wants Alessa to kill more people for her.
>Why would she do it without them? Would The Order not have approved the ritual or something?
Uh . . . b/c Dahlia's not the leader of the organization and does whatever the fuck she wants, regardless of what the rest of the congregation anticipates.
>He doesn't even like what the Sect of the Holy Woman is trying to do in the first place
Irrelevant. Vincent is specifically talking about how fucking bananas Dahlia is, and how the congregation views her.
Alessa is refusing to "lend [Dahlia] a teensy bit of [Alessa's] power." Dahlia wants Alessa to kill more people for her.
>Why would she do it without them? Would The Order not have approved the ritual or something?
Uh . . . b/c Dahlia's not the leader of the organization and does whatever the fuck she wants, regardless of what the rest of the congregation anticipates.
>He doesn't even like what the Sect of the Holy Woman is trying to do in the first place
Irrelevant. Vincent is specifically talking about how fucking bananas Dahlia is, and how the congregation views her.
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