why is valtiel always harassing nurses?
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Well, he wasn't going to actively protect her, because the monsters are there for Heather to kill, which would fill her with hate and help God be born. But if a monster actually succeeds in killing Heather, Valtiel will bring her back until she gets it right. The monsters and Valtiel are on the same side.
[quote="BlackFire2"]I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.[/quote]
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Let's not play the "it's-Silent-Hill-so-it-doesn't-have-to-make-sense" card, ok? Like, ever. You were doing just fine with your first assumption, which does indeed seem to be the case. Just because an event looks random to an outside observer doesn't make it so, afterall.
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Yes, we can play that card, and i am. when i first saw it, that is exactly along the lines of what i thought. i saw it, i thought about it, i moved on... They are just game developers, i doubt they sat down like the rest of us currently are contemplating the reasoning and meaning behind every strange event, if they did i think there would be greater gaps of time between the games. if you have a theory state it, but don't tell someone not to say something when they make a statement and you dont like it.lain of the wired wrote:Let's not play the "it's-Silent-Hill-so-it-doesn't-have-to-make-sense" card, ok? Like, ever. You were doing just fine with your first assumption, which does indeed seem to be the case. Just because an event looks random to an outside observer doesn't make it so, afterall.
Now if there was a reason to it, i didnt catch it, i said what i said becouse it caught me off guard, it interested me, and my only thought on the matter was that he was keeping the other world in some kind of order. Why? i dont know. How does it work? i dont know. that doesnt have to make sense to me.
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No, you can't, because everything in Silent Hill has a reason behind it. Even the Otherworld must abide by Cause and Effect.Yes, we can play that card, and i am.
Saying "It doesn't have to make sense lol" isn't a theory.if you have a theory state it, but don't tell someone not to say something when they make a statement and you dont like it.
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Gotta say I'm with them on that. Silent Hill doesn't just do "quazy things" because it can. Even if the reasoning behind things is hidden deeply and warped, it's still there. Just because something appears random doesn't mean it is, but fair enough, that's what a lot of people figure when they see a lot of the stuff "Oh, that was very strange, well moving on", it's not usually the first thing you do, looking into the reasoning of everything, but just because of that doesn't mean you can ignore the reason either.
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Not saying they can't say it because I don't like it. I'll kindly request that you take your words out of my mouth, thank you. I've had tastier. Like Aura's.if you have a theory state it, but don't tell someone not to say something when they make a statement and you dont like it.
A bad movie often includes plotholes big enough to drive elephants through. The same goes for a bad game. When we play a game, we don't just walk on the ceiling because the designers thought we should- they put some kind of device there to explain why we can. We don't know the details of the physics involved, but we don't say "magic," we say "advanced science." The same goes for SH and Valtiel. He's doing things to prepare the way for god. We don't understand how it prepares the way, if we can look around and find details that are actually written by Team Silent and see that Valtiel is a being whose purpose is to help bring about the birth of god, then we can logically extend that purpose to his actions. As you say, we don't have to understand it, but as xoxsnoof says, we don't have to "ignore [it,] either."Now if there was a reason to it, i didnt catch it, i said what i said becouse it caught me off guard, it interested me, and my only thought on the matter was that he was keeping the other world in some kind of order. Why? i dont know. How does it work? i dont know. that doesnt have to make sense to me.
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Well, moving off the game canon, Roger Avary said that the monsters in the movie were all people at one point in time. With that in mind, if you look at the "Making of Silent Hill 3" one of the creators said that the monsters could literally be anybody. You're even lead to wonder if the monsters weren't just normal everyday people who might've been killed, innocently by a hallucinating Heather.lain of the wired wrote:^Wow, that was retarded...
Anyway: I'm not disputing the idea of him being the enactor of metempsychosis; I simply don't think that manifestations of fears (ie illusions that can hit very hard) would have souls. I mean, Lisa was a special case- she was a memory of a specific person. But look at the Lost Memories page on the Chariot: Lisa gets no reincarnation, why should the nurse monsters?
The other nurses, if I may interpret literally for a moment, all look the same, which leads me to believe that they are all generalized figures representing the fear, rather than memories of former individuals. This therefore leads me to believe that there is no "soul" to them, as they are only a part of the memories of Alessa, and memories have no souls.
But please, by all means- convince me otherwise. You've got me interested, now.
But, even if the monsters all look the same, it could be that the designers did this because it was cheaper, and have nothing to do with the story's plot. Like, with cartoon images of Santa in his workshop with an army of clone dwarves (called "elves" for some reason), it's still assumed that each one is a unique individual and that the cartoonists were just being lazy.
The same idea applies to the Silent Hill franchise. Since having an individual model be allowed to be used only once, would not only cost Konami more money in paying the artists responsible but it would require more disk-space and thus would equal more money being spent on manufacturing each game, one can assume that developers may have intended for each nurse was her own individual - regardless if she looked like the next nurse.
I really do think that they all have souls, not only because of the movie since that has no bearing on game canon (past SH 1-4 that is) but because you see these monsters in the place of where humans would be had there never been an "otherworld".
Having done some creative work of my own, I can say that sometimes you leave things out of your work so as to allow the audience to draw their own conclusions. It's like if you've ever taken English 4 AP, the writer of a poem will often times allude things, or have a meaning behind a seemingly pointless conversation. But, the idea is that you come up with your own conclusions and what they thought or what went on in their own life really doesn't lead you to the meaning behind their work.DeSilva wrote:They are just game developers, i doubt they sat down like the rest of us currently are contemplating the reasoning and meaning behind every strange event, if they did i think there would be greater gaps of time between the games.
Oh, and I want to add something else. As far as WHAT valtiel's doing to the women monsters, it really looks like he's raping and-or torturing them. And, seeing him take away Heather after Heather dies seems to make his presence even more creepy.
But, the theory of metempsychosis makes ALOT of sense when you look at the fact that he never tries to hurt Heather but still drags her dead body along. He's either purifying the nurses' souls or he's trying to help Heather - that is if he isn't deriving some sort of sick pleasure by torturing them.
But, I really do think that the monsters are souls of those who died in Silent Hill, condemned to live there as a result of what the cult had done to Alessa. As a way of coping with her suffering she might be forcing other people to suffer as well in the form of something ugly and painfully deformed.
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No he didn't, and that couldn't be possible anyway.Roger Avary said that the monsters in the movie were all people at one point in time.
I know where you're going with this. But only the Missionary, Scrapers, and Leonard in the Game Canon were ever human.With that in mind, if you look at the "Making of Silent Hill 3" one of the creators said that the monsters could literally be anybody. You're even lead to wonder if the monsters weren't just normal everyday people who might've been killed, innocently by a hallucinating Heather.
Good luck with that. *eyeroll*I really do think that they all have souls, not only because of the movie since that has no bearing on game canon (past SH 1-4 that is) but because you see these monsters in the place of where humans would be had there never been an "otherworld".
It's not a theory, it's a fact.Oh, and I want to add something else. As far as WHAT valtiel's doing to the women monsters, it really looks like he's raping and-or torturing them. And, seeing him take away Heather after Heather dies seems to make his presence even more creepy.
But, the theory of metempsychosis makes ALOT of sense when you look at the fact that he never tries to hurt Heather but still drags her dead body along. He's either purifying the nurses' souls or he's trying to help Heather - that is if he isn't deriving some sort of sick pleasure by torturing them.
Too bad Alessa didn't make all of the monsters in the Otherworld, and that the ones she did make were probably subconscious, and that Alessa doesn't possess the power of metempsychosis.But, I really do think that the monsters are souls of those who died in Silent Hill, condemned to live there as a result of what the cult had done to Alessa. As a way of coping with her suffering she might be forcing other people to suffer as well in the form of something ugly and painfully deformed.
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I could be wrong, but I do believe it was the screenwriter who said that on a ShoTime special. That's why the cockroaches had human faces, because they were human.AuraTwilight wrote:No he didn't, and that couldn't be possible anyway.Roger Avary said that the monsters in the movie were all people at one point in time.
Well, they would be the result of her subconscious as she might not willingly force people to that kind of fate. But, the power of metempsychosis would be that of God which she was the mother of.AuraTwilight wrote: Too bad Alessa didn't make all of the monsters in the Otherworld, and that the ones she did make were probably subconscious, and that Alessa doesn't possess the power of metempsychosis.
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He said that "The monsters might be humans, or they might be manifestations of Alessa's pain. It's really up to interpretation. (chuckle)." In other words, he was pulling a Vincent.I could be wrong, but I do believe it was the screenwriter who said that on a ShoTime special. That's why the cockroaches had human faces, because they were human.
Alessa can't use the God's powers, nor would she want/allow herself to.Well, they would be the result of her subconscious as she might not willingly force people to that kind of fate. But, the power of metempsychosis would be that of God which she was the mother of.
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Well, it all seems very much like rape, and rape seems to be a common theme amongst the tourists of Silent Hill, with PH raping pretty much everything, and Heather having an intense fear of being raped herself. Seems like maybe the town just picks up on this "don't rape me plz" vibe and rolls with it
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