James.

Post by **alpha** » 10 Jun 2006

Ok I haven't been able to play SH 3 & 4 as much as I have 2, but does 3 or 4 make any mention of James? And on that note has any one heard or have any theories on what happened to him after his epic quest through Silent Hill?

Post by **LizLadyNinja** » 10 Jun 2006

Not to my knowledge. I don't have three but I have four and I haven't picked up on his mention. There maybe, but I have caught it if there is!

Post by **The 8th Aspect** » 10 Jun 2006

>but does 3 or 4 make any mention of James?
Not in three and not really in 4. Henry (your local punching bag) comments that Frank's (superintendent) son and daughter-in-law went missing in Silent Hill and I think that's pretty much it.

I think this has already been discussed too.

Post by **whiter4bbit** » 10 Jun 2006

SH3 doesn't mention him, except in the case that Douglas refers to HIS case when talking in the car. As far as I know, in SH4 is said that

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James never came back from Silent Hill.

Post by **The Adversary** » 10 Jun 2006

>except in the case that Douglas refers to HIS case when talking in the car.
No he doesn't. He doesn't specify what case he's talking about.

Post by **evilinthishouse** » 11 Jun 2006

There are a couple of SH2 references in SH3, but none refering specifically to James.

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Heather says something about "receiving a letter from a dead wife" when she checks the mail boxes at the Daisy Villa Apartments (only if you have a SH2 file saved on your memory card). When Heather is in the "dark" mall, there's a scene that refers to James finding the wallet in a toliet and says something pretty funny when you investigate the toliet in the bathroom there. Also, on the roof top in Brookhaven, she comments on how sturdy the fence is where PH knocked James off from in the second game.

In SH4, Frank Sunderland (James's father), comments on how he hasn't seen James or his wife since they last went to Silent Hill.

Other than that, I can't really think of any references to James specifically. No one knows what really happened to him for certain, but there is plenty of speculation, which you can probably find on these boards.

Post by **whiter4bbit** » 11 Jun 2006

St. Thomas wrote:>except in the case that Douglas refers to HIS case when talking in the car.
No he doesn't. He doesn't specify what case he's talking about.

Exactly, so it COULD be James'.

Post by **B5160-R** » 11 Jun 2006

It COULD be Eddie too.
It COULD be Angela too.
It COULD be Walter too.
It COULD be Snake from Metal Gear too

And so on for infinity...

The point is everything can be theorized, there doesn't need to be any evidence, but if we don't need any evidence then where does that leave us?

Post by **whiter4bbit** » 11 Jun 2006

In fact I didn't say "Dougles mention James", I said "EXCEPT IN THE CASE THAT"...

Post by **swedish** » 11 Jun 2006

So if Frank Sunderland says that his son and daughter-in-law never came back from Silent Hill, that would mean the Water ending would probably be the most likely one? Or maybe the one where James goes off to revive Mary, and something bad probably happened.

I wouldn't see why James wouldn't make contact with his father nearly a decade after he visited Silent Hill (according to St. Thomas' timeline).

Post by **theshaman** » 11 Jun 2006

swedish wrote:So if Frank Sunderland says that his son and daughter-in-law never came back from Silent Hill, that would mean the Water ending would probably be the most likely one? Or maybe the one where James goes off to revive Mary, and something bad probably happened.

I wouldn't see why James wouldn't make contact with his father nearly a decade after he visited Silent Hill (according to St. Thomas' timeline).

yea he would have had to made contact with him in those years if he had of bein alive.. But james main prority was mary not his dad.. If you know what I mean.. We'll never know really..

Post by **Hjartu** » 11 Jun 2006

swedish wrote:So if Frank Sunderland says that his son and daughter-in-law never came back from Silent Hill, that would mean the Water ending would probably be the most likely one? Or maybe the one where James goes off to revive Mary, and something bad probably happened.

I wouldn't see why James wouldn't make contact with his father nearly a decade after he visited Silent Hill (according to St. Thomas' timeline).

It's possible that he's trapped in the foggy world, isn't it?

Post by **The Adversary** » 11 Jun 2006

>I wouldn't see why James wouldn't make contact with his father nearly a decade after he visited Silent Hill
You really think James would come home with an eight-year-old girl?, Mary's doppelganger, Maria?, or the resurrected corpse of your late wife? Somehow I doubt it.

No. It doesn't make In Water the more believable ending--because the In Water ending is already as unbelievable as it can be.

>Exactly, so it COULD be James'.
And B5160-R already responded suite. It could be just about anyone; you said, adamantly, that it is James. You are wrong. There's nothing to suggest that it's him except for wild assumption.

Post by **whiter4bbit** » 11 Jun 2006

St. Thomas wrote:
>Exactly, so it COULD be James'.
And B5160-R already responded suite. It could be just about anyone; you said, adamantly, that it is James. You are wrong. There's nothing to suggest that it's him except for wild assumption.

When?

I said that "SH3 doesn't mention him, except in case that Douglas refers to HIS case when talking in the car"... meaning something like "In Silent Hill 3 James is never explicitly named, the only reference to him could be the case Douglas is referring to, IF he refers to James' case"... How could I say "Douglas talks about James"? Everybody can see that he doesn't do, since he only speaks about a generic case...

Post by **JuriDawn** » 11 Jun 2006

They just misread the context there. They thought when you said HIS, you were referring to James, when you were just quoting Douglas directly.

B5160-R wrote: It COULD be Angela too.

Wait a minute... Angela's a DUDE?!

Post by **Mis Krist.** » 11 Jun 2006

swedish wrote:So if Frank Sunderland says that his son and daughter-in-law never came back from Silent Hill, that would mean the Water ending would probably be the most likely one? Or maybe the one where James goes off to revive Mary, and something bad probably happened.

I wouldn't see why James wouldn't make contact with his father nearly a decade after he visited Silent Hill (according to St. Thomas' timeline).

No, just because

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death

would make certain that James couldn't contact ANYONE again doesn't mean that's the ending that has to be. James also wouldn't contact his dad if, you know, he brought his wife back to life, or went crazy and talked to a person that wasn't there, or started an entirely new life with Laura.

Or as abducted by aliens.

In Water has tons of other improbable and illogical things working against it, anyway.

And no, Angela's not a dude. Douglas does not specify the sex of whom he's speaking when he's talking in the car with Heather. The original script says "'em" or "them," which doesn't really give us any hints on their gender. Therefore, it could be anyone but it doesn't HAVE to be James.

Post by **JuriDawn** » 11 Jun 2006

I know, I was being silly.

Post by **theshaman** » 12 Jun 2006

JuriDawn wrote:They just misread the context there. They thought when you said HIS, you were referring to James, when you were just quoting Douglas directly.

B5160-R wrote: It COULD be Angela too.
Wait a minute... Angela's a DUDE?!

Post by **B5160-R** » 12 Jun 2006

JuriDawn wrote:Wait a minute... Angela's a DUDE?!

COULD be.

Post by **JuriDawn** » 13 Jun 2006

Well, we know he/she had some serious daddy issues, who knows what could have happened as a result, or contributed to the turmoil.

"Angelo! What are you doing with your mother's makeup?!"

"I hate you, Papa!" *bursts into tears and runs out of room in high heels*