SH1 to SH2

Post by **chocolocolatte** » 26 Apr 2006

okay so in silent hill one im not clear on what happens when Alessa is deafeted. i thought the town collapsed into a hole of something and is therefore "nowhere". now maybe what i heard is wrong but i dont understand how it exists in silent hill two (i have only played silent hill two and three) if it "fell in a hole". mayeb that explains the quote "the was a hole here, its gone now" on the wall in SH2?

Post by **Mis Krist.** » 26 Apr 2006

Nowhere, the place, crumbles and is destroyed (feel free to correct me on that, though. I can't understand this stuff sometimes). The town has not. Clearly, since James can visit it again. Alessa's Nowhere doesn't exist in SH2, because she's not a part of that game, but the town still shifts and responds according to James's mind and heart - his guilt and his suppressed memories.

That quote doesn't mean what you're thinking. There are a few topics pertaining to that quote; lemme find some for you..

http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=289 There's one.

Post by **Droo** » 26 Apr 2006

Silent Hill in the first game was being conjured and controlled by Alessa. It wasn't the actual town, it was Alessa's version of it. After she got injured with the Flauros, she was no longer able to maintain her reality, and it collapsed into Nowhere, eventually into nothing upon her death.

However, it was Alessa's Alternate Silent Hill that crumbled. The real town itself still exists, as does Foggy Silent Hill, obviously, since we've seen it in SH2 and 3.

The hole reference in Neely's Bar is potentially explained by SH4.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 26 Apr 2006

yea i thought that was some riddle to something

Post by **Dunkel_Teufel** » 26 Apr 2006

There is something interesting about all of this...

In the first game you control someone that is connected somehow to the main events in the town. Alessa, the cult, etc...
In the second game, though, you control someone that is just called by the town, by that evil force leaved by the cult and the main events... by the evil left in the real town.
But, in both games, you are never actualy in the real town, just alternate versions of it. One caused by Alessa, another one... by the evil in the town powered by James guilt.

Sorry for my bad english

Post by **alone in the town** » 26 Apr 2006

There is no evil force behind the town. It's just a neutral force. In Silent Hill 1, Alessa manipulates it. In Silent Hill 2, each character manipulates it themselves.

Post by **Droo** » 26 Apr 2006

Silent Hill is what you make it. Mary found it immensely peaceful and wonderful, Laura sees nothing there at all, and James, Eddie and Angela see what they see.

Post by **reginald potamus** » 26 Apr 2006

about the hole message at bar neelys.

from translated book of lost memories:

'IN silent hill 2 "holes" appear repeatedly upon and after James arrival beneath the historical society. James falls through these holes many times over as if lured by something. One can think that these holes symbolize the abyss which has opened up in his heart. By means of falling through holes, James dives into his own subconcious and finally comes to accept the crime he has commited. As with the scrawled words at the bar (bar neelys), it seems that in the town of silent hill holes open up here and there and lure those who hold darkness in their hearts.

Magdalene · Post by **Magdalene** » 26 Apr 2006

Drewfus wrote:Silent Hill is what you make it. Mary found it immensely peaceful and wonderful, Laura sees nothing there at all, and James, Eddie and Angela see what they see.

Which makes alot of sense, seeing as how James seemed to step into "Angelas" world right before she left. The fire..."It's always like this..."

Post by **chocolocolatte** » 27 Apr 2006

Dunkel_Teufel wrote:There is something interesting about all of this...

In the first game you control someone that is connected somehow to the main events in the town. Alessa, the cult, etc...
In the second game, though, you control someone that is just called by the town, by that evil force leaved by the cult and the main events... by the evil left in the real town.
But, in both games, you are never actualy in the real town, just alternate versions of it. One caused by Alessa, another one... by the evil in the town powered by James guilt.

Sorry for my bad english

yeah i kinda had that thought as well, like what's left over from Alessa is the ability to control the "foggy" silent hill and therefore ur own little hell. like the monsters crawling out of ur head almost. and thanx for clearing up the hole thing krist, i havent even played the first one so i didnt know what was up with that.

Post by **Goodnight** » 27 Apr 2006

It's not left over from Alessa.

You have to understand that Silent Hill is a powerful place of its own accord. The happenings in SH2 are unrelated to the Cult - the Otherside and monsters are made possible by the land itself. The ritual James goes through in the "Rebirth" ending appeals to the "Old Gods" of Silent Hill.

SH2 is completely unrelated to The Cult, Alessa, Dahlia... the whole first game, aside from the fact it takes place in the town of Silent Hill. It's not even the same part of the town.

Post by **Dunkel_Teufel** » 27 Apr 2006

Oh, thanx for correct me:)
But, one question, then, does the cult really does something?... Isnt the cult following the ancient teachings? Arent they, then, the ones who makes things happens?...

Post by **alone in the town** » 27 Apr 2006

No. They've learned how to, in some cases, access the Otherside at will, and in some rare cases, even manipulate it to a degree. But they aren't responsible for its existence. The latent powers that can be tapped to create the Otherside were there long before the Order existed.

Post by **Goodnight** » 27 Apr 2006

Like AitT said, the Cult simply taps into what is essentially a natural resource - it's a neutral power that can be manipulated for good or evil.

Trouble is that good people generally don't manipulate great power.

Post by **Xioz Taschez** » 07 Oct 2006

Couple questions:

First, in SH1 you make your way to the Resort Area via the sewer system near Midwhich School... Correct me if I'm wrong.

Secondly, in the sewers you are obviously moving west to come out near the resort, again correct me if I'm mistaken. Now my question...

Could the road that you see coming off of Midwhich Street on the map of Old Silent Hill, Shown here, be Craig Street in the resort area, Shown here? If so, then it provides a complete geographical connection between the two games, with the SH2 connection to the resort area Shown here. (If accepted, I'll try to make a complete map of the town from the 2 games if not made already)

Question 2: Cleared up here.

Anyway, *shrugs*

Post by **alone in the town** » 07 Oct 2006

Silent Hill 1: 1983
Silent Hill 2: 1994
Silent Hill 3: 2000
Silent Hill 4: 2004

omgz i stole the timeline from linda lol

Post by **The Adversary** » 07 Oct 2006

Look for the timeline at the top of the General Discussion thread. I developed it, IYI WYN.

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Post by **Xioz Taschez** » 07 Oct 2006

Thanks for the timeline clear up.

Post by **NightFlutter** » 08 Oct 2006

I still haven't found out what says SH2 took place 11 years after SH1.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 08 Oct 2006

Well, theres so many types of worlds and layers to Silent Hill that when one crumbles like the 'Nowhere' world, another person creates one just like it with their hatred.

Silent Hill Heaven

SH1 to SH2

SH1 to SH2

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