Why does Dahlia...

Post by **Conjurer** » 07 Oct 2006

...refer to God as he? Even though the Order's belief, atleast most perferably the Holy Women sect's belief, is that God is a women, the Holy Mother.

Post by **amphreded** » 07 Oct 2006

the Holy Mother is not God. She's the bearer of God.

Post by **Conjurer** » 07 Oct 2006

The Holy Mother sect refers to God as the Holy Mother. Sorry for the misconception.

Post by **The Adversary** » 07 Oct 2006

The Sect of the Holy Woman doesn't believe "The Holy Mother" is God--they believe "The Holy Mother" is the mother of God, in this case: Alessa. The Sect of the Holy Mother, however, refers to God as "The Holy Mother," though they are not the same thing between sects.

Dahlia calls god "he" because she probably believes something different--after all: She worships the image of Incubus. . . .

Post by **Conjurer** » 07 Oct 2006

St. Thomas, I thought I've already said that? Oh well. You all know what I mean.

I thought you believed the image of Incubus is Lobsel Vith...?

Post by **The Adversary** » 07 Oct 2006

>the Holy Women sect's belief, is that God is a women, the Holy Mother.
This is false. That's why I corrected you.

>I thought you believed the image of Incubus is Lobsel Vith...?
That's what I just said. . . . Lobsel Vith looks like Incubus, but the Incubus at the end of SH1 is not Lobsel Vith.

Post by **Conjurer** » 07 Oct 2006

St. Thomas wrote:>the Holy Women sect's belief, is that God is a women, the Holy Mother.
This is false. That's why I corrected you.

Well thanks but i'm sure i've already corrected myself after amphreded's message.

St. Thomas wrote:>I thought you believed the image of Incubus is Lobsel Vith...?
That's what I just said. . . . Lobsel Vith looks like Incubus, but the Incubus at the end of SH1 is not Lobsel Vith.

Yes but you see, Dahlia actually has a reason to believe Lobsel Vith looks like a winged demon because the ancient murals depicts this. However, God being a "he"...? It's unheard of. But when she is talking to Harry that "he" has been nurtured by that nightmare, she is referring to the Malevolent Deity.

Post by **The Adversary** » 07 Oct 2006

>i'm sure i've already corrected myself after amphreded's message.
All you've said is that The Sect of the Holy Mother worships god as "The Holy Mother," not that the Sect of the Holy Woman worships "The Holy Mother" as the Holy Mother of God.

Then referring to god as a winged demon, as a "he", isn't unheard of: God appears as that winged demon to her, after all.

Post by **Conjurer** » 07 Oct 2006

St. Thomas wrote:Then referring to god as a winged demon, as a "he", isn't unheard of: God appears as that winged demon to her, after all.

Your beginning to confuse me. According to you: She worships Lobsel Vith, which is an image of Baphomet. God appears as Dahlia's perception of Lobsel Vith because her mind was pre-occupied w/ Lobsel Vith.

What i'm getting at is, God never took the form of whatever Dahlia was refering to as "he" because God took the form of Dahlia's perception of a different God which isn't actually really a "he" to begin with anyway.

Post by **NightFlutter** » 08 Oct 2006

St. Thomas wrote: Lobsel Vith looks like Incubus, but the Incubus at the end of SH1 is not Lobsel Vith.

Wait...you've seen an image of Lobsel Vith aside from the one in the church in SH3? Or is that the one you're referring to?

Post by **JuriDawn** » 08 Oct 2006

He's referring to the one in front of the altar in the small church in the antique shop if I remember correctly.

Post by **Conjurer** » 08 Oct 2006

He was.

Post by **NightFlutter** » 08 Oct 2006

Conjurer wrote:He is refering to the Green Lion Antique shop, JuriDawn.

Oh, I musta missed when it was established that was Lobsel Vith in that picture to begin with.

Post by **Conjurer** » 08 Oct 2006

Um...yea, what are you trying to imply?

Post by **emptimass** » 08 Oct 2006

Does it ever really say whether or not god is a male or a female.

I know that that the Incubus and Baphomet have have defining
male features as well as female. Upon close inspection you will see
breasts.
If God is a woman then when Dahlia refers to "He", it may be
her misunderstanding or misinterpretation. May also have been
an Japanese to English typo.

Honestly though the cult and members obviously share very different
interpretations and ideas of the power in which they stand in awe of.
Some feel this. Some think that.

Post by **NightFlutter** » 08 Oct 2006

Conjurer wrote:Um...yea, what are you trying to imply?

That I didn't know that it was Lobsel Vith to begin with.

Post by **Conjurer** » 08 Oct 2006

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emptimass wrote:Does it ever really say whether or not god is a male or a female.

I know that that the Incubus and Baphomet have have defining
male features as well as female. Upon close inspection you will see
breasts.
If God is a woman then when Dahlia refers to "He", it may be
her misunderstanding or misinterpretation. May also have been
an Japanese to English typo.

Honestly though the cult and members obviously share very different
interpretations and ideas of the power in which they stand in awe of.
Some feel this. Some think that.

I know but what strikes me as odd is that, well, you know, Dahlia is the head Priestess of her section...

Post by **The Adversary** » 08 Oct 2006

>He is refering to the Green Lion Antique shop
Yeah, which is exactly what Juridawn said. . . .

>Your beginning to confuse me.
You seem to've understood what I've suggested just fine. Evidently you're ignoring Vincent's words: It's not unusual for different people of the same religion to believe in different things.

Post by **Conjurer** » 30 Nov 2006

emptimass wrote:May also have been an Japanese to English typo.

Actually, I found this to be correct; the original script of Silent Hill 3 never mentions God as a "she" or "her".

The word "He" is probably an ambiguous term for a deity.

Post by **jthomp1286** » 06 Dec 2006

Conjurer wrote:
emptimass wrote:May also have been an Japanese to English typo.
Actually, I found this to be correct; the original script of Silent Hill 3 never mentions God as a "she" or "her".

The word "He" is probably an ambiguous term for a deity.

The original Japanese script? Can you point out specific areas? Because that would seem to go against a lot of things in SH3. My mind goes back to a track on the SH3 OST called "Sun" where someone (presuming Claudia, b/c of the voice) is talking about God and continually refers to God as "she", "her", etc.