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I've been re-playing all the Silent Hill games recently and i've been trying to remember all the plot "Holes" <--- SH4 reference ! :-D and try to find the holes there and make them gone (another reference :-D ) , but one thing that made me wonder , in Silent Hill 2 , the original theme is called Theme of Laura right? , Laura is that annoying girl who talks to every character and is unnefected by Silent Hill , she never sees the monsters and she doesn't get killed, but her past is very unclear

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/9 ... rofile.png



in the Wikia , here .

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Laura

it says this

Laura is an orphan who befriended Mary Shepherd-Sunderland a year prior to the events of Silent Hill 2, having been a patient at the same hospital as her. Like James, she appears to be searching for Mary and is unaware of her death. How Laura's parents died and why she was in a hospital is never revealed.

but i think Laura has a lot to do with Cheryl/Alyssa from the first game, and that she changed her name to Claudia Wolf later on , Yes Claudia wolf this woman

Does anyone see the resemblance?

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/3/34/Claudia.png

So why the hell do i think thats her ? , well you see claudia used to be good friends with Alyssa, because Alyssa used to be abused by her mother, for the cultic stuff, and because she was a "Witch" , and so did Claudia, but Claudia's past was never explained, just in a scene in SH3 that Vincent mentions that she had an abusive father, because her father was a religious nut, EXACTLY like Alyssa and her mother Dahlia (these two pics are for Alyssa when she is 7 years old and 14years old)

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Alessa_Gillespie

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/a ... lMason.PNG
http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/9 ... lespie.PNG


and here is a picture of Claudia/Laura with Alyssa/Cheryl praying to their God to bring paradise, and in their belief if they want to create a new world of paradise they have to "Burn" the current world to ashes in order to create another one without sin and abusive people (like their families)

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/0 ... laudia.PNG

but then in SH Origins , We see alyssa burned badly as a ritual by her mother Dahlia so that she can resurrect that god , but Alyssa wanted revenge on her mother and the rest of the world for abusing her powers.

after she was burned the main character Travis saves her from the burning house (which was actually her house)

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/1 ... Travis.PNG

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/4 ... eHouse.jpg

So when he saves her, she is sent to the Hospital ,

the very Hospital that Mary is sent to , Yes Mary from SH2, Jame's wife

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/6 ... erland.png

from there , Laura/Claudia used to "Run away" from wherever she came from, (in my theory is that she ran away from her abusive father, Leonard Wolf)

what also evident to this is the source of her name according to the writer

Her name is taken from the nonfiction work, "No Language But a Cry" by Richardo D'Ambrosio, the story of a young girl's search for happiness while struggling to overcome the scars of abuse.

sounds like Claudia right?

Afterwards , she ran away to visit the burned down Alyssa, frequently and her nurse Lisa , Which is one evidence why Laura knows Lisa (hey they never met since Lisa = SH1 and Laura = SH2 ?!? )

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/3 ... asmile.png

but no since lisa is Alyssa's nurse, and she used to bandage her because she was burned in third degree but she was still alive, because of a spell by her mother (she is supposed to be burned to be brought a God)

So since they're both in the same hospital Laura and Mary, they met each other, and thats how they knew each other in Silent Hill 2, Laura unlike James used to see Mary as a very happy-go-lucky person and very cheerful, why ? , because Alyssa made sure that no harm will ever hurt Laura , and that everything she sees is pure and contained no sin, thus led to the creation of Maria , a cheerful "Lively" version of Mary, and what James liked instead of the dying sick Mary he felt sorry for , and that is why Laura didn't see any of the monsters and was a cheerful girl despite all the stuff that is happening around her.

she also mention that she stole a letter from Rachel's desk, and Rachel is Mary's Nurse, here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5juMp9gqWY

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/6 ... aMaria.JPG

in other words, Alyssa damns whoever she wants (Dahlia, James...ect) and protect whoever she wants (Laura, Mary, Lisa;until she found out about her PCTV addiction and then turned her into a monster like the rest of the nurses )

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Garland

in the ending of SH1 Alyssa finally joins with Cheryl (her other self) and then become a dying monster (final boss) , which she then takes a bit of herself and gives to Harry Mason as a baby, which later turns into heather, hence why Heather is the daughter of Dahlia since she is Alyssa

why do you ask she did this ? so that she can resurrect again as whole but that didn't happen thanks to the ending of SH4

So what happens next to laura?

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Laura



In the "Leave" ending, James leaves Silent Hill with Laura (how he found her and convinced her to leave Silent Hill with him is not revealed) and they travel through Toluca Graveyard. James is following Laura, who is a few feet ahead of him. Laura then stops and waits for James to catch up to her. They vanish into the mist, one after the other. This ending could mean that James is possibly intending to carry out Mary's wishes to adopt Laura.

Laura does not appear in the game's other three endings, so it is not revealed to what happens to her. However, since the town was never dangerous to her, it is assumed that she gets out of Silent Hill unharmed.



But wait! remember this guy?

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/a/a1/VincentFull.png



A couple of years after Silent Hill 2 , when laura was growing up , or should i say Claudia Wolf, she was raised with that guy, Vincent

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Vincent

Other than that, not much is known about him, or his past, but it can be speculated that Vincent was raised alongside Claudia Wolf. This can be evidenced by the fact that Vincent mentions seeing (possibly as a child) Claudia being abused by her father: Leonard Wolf. He says that Leonard's "cruel" acts have been "burned into [his] mind".

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Claudia_Wolf

As a child, Claudia was raised alongside Alessa Gillespie, Heather Mason's original incarnation. As such, she sees Alessa as a sister and refers to Heather by her past name. Claudia's mission is to succeed where Dahlia Gillespie failed in Silent Hill 1, impregnating Heather with God and hastening its "birth". Claudia also holds a grudge against Harry Mason, the main protagonist from the first game who averted God's birth the first time and kept "Alessa" hidden away.

See how it all adds up ?

what also adds up is that Laura/Claudia is raised in Ashfield, the place where Silent Hill 4 , YES 4 takes place, and where Frank Sunderland lives , see his name? the same last name as James Sunderland.

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/f ... erland.png

maybe he IS james but older, and a "different" person

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Frank_Sunderland



In some moments in the game, the player can find letters mentioning a character named Rachel, including a bloody nurse uniform with her name on it. In Silent Hill 2, Rachel was the name of Mary Shepherd-Sunderland's nurse. Frank Sunderland may have had some connection to her because of the letters in his apartment. Frank also mistakenly thought that Mike was Rachel's boyfriend.

Also, if the player examines the picture above Henry's couch at one point in the game, Henry states that Frank's son and daughter-in-law disappeared in Silent Hill ("I got this photo from Sunderland, the superintendent. I hear his son and daughter-in-law disappeared in Silent Hill a few years back"). This alludes to James and the story of Silent Hill 2.

adds up yet again right? :-) , i mean why does James's father have a close contact with Rachel, the nurse who was watching over Mary , james's wife? , and later he has a bloody cloth of her (killed her? so that no one knows that he killed his wife?, changed his name too!) , also Mary has the same last name as Alex Shepard, the guy from Homecoming, but i haven't replayed this game yet, so i can't remember it well



So does that all make sense right? , Claudia does seem a lot like an older Laura, and if you read her Wikia , you will see this picture

http://images.wikia.com/silent/images/f ... aSmile.png

and what it says under it is

[i][i]Concept art of Claudia showing her lack of eyebrows.[/i][/i]

Hey! , she does look like an older claudia and she also doesn't have Eyebrows just like her! (scroll up to the top to see the resemblance)

woooh , i wrote a lot.. >_>; i bet no one is going to read this anyways.

Here is my take on the famous "There was a HOLE here it is gone now" line

in my opinion its actually pretty simple, its just an easter egg and a reference of the FIRST game Silent Hill 1

First off here is the infamous line from SH2

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6244/79536297.jpg

Where is it located?
in BAR Neely see this map , Notice where it is, keep in mind that Silent Hill from 1 and 2 are pretty different, PS1 > PS2 made silent hill 3 times bigger and changed a lot of stuff, but it's main design kept the same.
This is Silent Hill 2's map (part of it)

http://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh2/m ... ill_02.jpg

See where Neely's BAR is ?
here is a map of Silent Hill 1

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okay now remember what happens when in Silent Hill 1 , When Harry wakes up after the "Nightmare" and meets Cybil , he wakes up at that exact Bar, but it wasn't closed down , it was open, and also had furniture and no newpapers on the windows.

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Remember what happens when you pick up that radio? , thats right the glass breaks the one where the "There was a Hole Here..." in Silent Hill 1 , but its gone in Silent Hill 2 because they fixed it and closed the old bar,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdLrooeI ... r_embedded

Mod edit: Do not double post. Use the edit button when you have something else to add. -Calamity

Another Mod edit: It is not necessary to blow up the thread with all those enormous images. I assure you that most people here are very familiar with the appearance of most of the characters. -Ryantology


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I just read it twice and I still have no idea what you're trying to say. It rambles and goes in a hundred directions at once. I would suggest you take some time and edit this entire post both for brevity and for clarity.

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Ryantology wrote:
I just read it twice and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.

I'm not sure what's going on either. :?

Sorry, but your post is really hard to understand. I think you're saying Laura grows up to be Claudia, based solely on looks and what little we know about their pasts... :? Right now I haven't got the time to discuss that as I would like to present some evidence against, so I'll leave that for now. I'm sure someone else will be in shortly to do so, though.

Just a few things that I do have time for though:
- Silent Hill 1 and Silent Hill 2 take place in different areas of town, so Neely's Bar is not the same place where Harry wakes up to meet Cybil.
- Also, it's "Alessa", not "Alyssa". No "y". I know it's a small thing to nit-pick about, but it's just a pet peeve of mine. >_<
- Frank Sunderland is James' father, and Mary's father-in-law. James didn't run off and simply change his first name while keeping his last.


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Dear Theorizer,
Since you are apparently new to this forum, i suggest you take your time to read the threads that discuss every minute of the game because it is clear from the outset that you have 'NO IDEA' what the hell you're talking about....There's a reason why this forum's been active for the past 10 years...becuase they have discussed EVERYTHING!!!

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I think that's a bit more harsh than was necessary. Let's give him a chance to clarify his thoughts before we decide he has no idea what he's talking about.

I don't agree with what it looks like you're trying to say though, OP. The evidence you offer is entirely circumstantial. Whatever superficial similarities Laura and Claudia share, as an example, are outweighed by their very obvious differences.

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If you look at MMY's timeline thread on this forum, there's evidence of an 11 year time span between SH1 and SH2. According to Konami (via Alex Shepherd's official diary), 10 years pass between the two games. No matter which you choose to follow, Claudia is in her 20's when SH2 takes place, not an 8 year old kid. There's a few other things I wanted to point out.
* Frank Sunderland is James' father, not James himself. Rachel living in that apartment complex is largely a coincidence, and suggests nothing more than that James and Mary probably lived in Ashfield.
* Alessa did not "turn Lisa into a monster" over learning about her drug addiction. There are various theories about why Lisa suddenly changed, the most prevalent being that she was already dead but was kept alive by Alessa's powers, causing her to morph when said powers were temporarily lost due to the Flauros. If you browse through the SH1 board, you can find various threads discussing Lisa's transformation.
* Claudia likely never even knew Alessa was alive until many years later. Dahlia and Kaufmann went out of their way to hide that Alessa had survived the fire, not only from the general population, but even from most of the Order. And even if Leonard was one of the few people made privy to Alessa's captivity before it blew up all over the place, I highly doubt he or anyone else he knew would be okay with Claudia randomly wandering the hospital, which would surely have prompted questions as to why she was there so much.


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Ryantology wrote:
I think that's a bit more harsh than was necessary. Let's give him a chance to clarify his thoughts before we decide he has no idea what he's talking about.


Exactly. Cool it, Poem.

The thing is that Laura and Claudia can't be the same person (I think that's what they're implying) by the fact that they lived in two completely different time periods, as JKristine points out.

OP, you should check out The Adversary's huge Silent Hill timeline. It'll def. provide a lot of insight, and you'll be able to see what JKristine is explaining: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=64

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I didn't mean to come off as a pretentious troll. It's just that the theory was so weak, that it was just hard to take it seriously.

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I'm gonna give Pullus some credit, though; they seem to be able to laugh at themselves given the poll options.

Also, for future reference, this was very difficult to read. You don't need to link to a wiki link every time you mention a character's name. We're all familiar with the material.

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I got Theory blocked.

oh well, thanks for taking the time and reading it anyways, but are you guys 100% sure that the time-line is official ? and not made up ?
also I say this is a Theory as in I Think this is what happens, that is what a theory is, just some imagination.


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The timeline is not official, but it has stood for the better part of a decade without anybody finding any major flaws in it.

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Well, apparently the information about the 10 year difference between SH1 and SH2 comes from Konami, which would make it fairly official. So, perhaps you were just reading too much into things, perhaps it's just a coincidence that Laura looks like Claudia, (I never noticed that myself.) Thanks for sharing your theory anyway, it was interesting.

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PullusPardus wrote:
I got Theory blocked.

oh well, thanks for taking the time and reading it anyways, but are you guys 100% sure that the time-line is official ? and not made up ?

It's not official, but The Adversary put a lot of time and effort into fact checking it. He's included citations and everything to back up each part, so it's not like he just "made [it] up" out of nothing.


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PullusPardus wrote:
I got Theory blocked.


Don't take it all to heart. I'm sure that Ryantology, The Adversary, and AuraTwilight (three of the best theorists on this forum) can tell you that many theories have some trial and error involved with them, and this is part of the learning process. It's good that you shared it and got some feedback. Now you have more information to use to help you in the future.

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Ryantology wrote:
The timeline is not official, but it has stood for the better part of a decade without anybody finding any major flaws in it.


Don't the new developers pretty much abide by it, at this point...? So, like, ascended fanon.

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Aerith Gainsborough wrote:
PullusPardus wrote:
I got Theory blocked.


Don't take it all to heart.


I'm not , really, I am glad that I got feedback, because I am interested in seeing what the hardcore fans think of it.


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Yuki wrote:
Don't the new developers pretty much abide by it, at this point...? So, like, ascended fanon.


Uh, no. We have an official timeline. The fan one has a few differences but it's close enough.

FUN FACT: The original writers planned for Elle to be Laura. Until I pointed out Laura is an orphan.


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FUN FACT: The original writers planned for Elle to be Laura. Until I pointed out Laura is an orphan.


THAT......was better off a secret...(shudders).....

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PyramidFace wrote:
Uh, no. We have an official timeline. The fan one has a few differences but it's close enough.

FUN FACT: The original writers planned for Elle to be Laura. Until I pointed out Laura is an orphan.


There's an official timeline?

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More "fun facts" please?
Haha :D


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